<p>any thoughts not the Eckerd prez?</p>
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<p><a href=“https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/11/25/eckerd-president-criticized-his-advice-students-how-avoid-rape”>https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/11/25/eckerd-president-criticized-his-advice-students-how-avoid-rape</a></p>
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<p>The legit interest in “not blaming the victim” often gets in the way of some good common sense. UVA, for example, has a feminist law professor on faculty that is a specialist in criminal law, especially rape. She should have obvious street cred on this issue. But she often gets “victim-blaming” thrown at her when she counsels young women that getting blind drunk puts them at risk of being raped. Even though that is exactly what most parents will tell their daughters. </p>
<p><a href=“Protecting Women Is Not 'Victim Blaming' - NYTimes.com”>http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/10/23/young-women-drinking-and-rape/protecting-women-is-not-victim-blaming</a></p>
<p>Did anyone see this case? Charges filed against 5 men and 1 woman for doing “nothing to suggest the behavior was wrong.”</p>
<p><a href=“Local – NBC New York”>A-Rod Divorce $ettlement – NBC New York;
<p>The incident only happened Nov 15, so it seems the victim reported immediately, and to the police. Alcohol and frat involved. </p>
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<p>According to the article, two students were charged with aggravated sexual assault, and three more were charged with endangering an injured victim. Two of the latter three were charged with invasion of privacy (for taking photos of the victim).</p>
<p>Yes, only one of them apparently fell into the “did nothing” category. It will be interesting to see if the charge against her holds up. Maybe she did something to actively enable the crime.</p>
<p>"Donald R. Eastman III sent an email to students Sunday in which he encouraged them to drink less and to avoid casual sex. He immediately faced criticism on and off campus that he was failing to understand that students have the right to engage in casual sex and to drink, and that doing so does not give anyone the right to rape them. As one post on Twitter said: “To Donald Eastman of Eckerd College. Women have the right to become intoxicated and not be assaulted. It’s a crime.” "</p>
<p>@@ Yes, women have the right to become intoxicated and not be assaulted. I also have the right to go walking in a dangerous neighborhood at 2 am wearing all my jewelry and having my handbag hang wide open while having my head down as I text on my iPhone. Doesn’t make it any less stupid. </p>
<p>Spare me from the so-called feminism of “but I have the right to get stinkin’ drunk, too!”. Let’s go for REAL women’s empowerment, which comes from achievement, accomplishment, and a thoughtful way of living one’s life. </p>
<p>Anyone - male OR female - who gets drunk in a potentially unsafe environment isn’t showing good sense. And I’ve given that same advice to my son as to my daughter. If he’s going to drink and anticipate he’ll get drunk (which is, of course, stupid and trashy behavior to begin with), don’t do it in a bar downtown where you might get in a fight, or where you might get disoriented and not be safe in taking public transportation home. Do it sitting in your room or in a friend’s apartment where you won’t go outside. </p>
<p>The prosecutors say the woman in the Ramapo case aided or encouraged the rapists. I don’t think failure to render aid in itself is a crime, is it?</p>
<p>Don’t drink in a frat either…</p>
<p>I’ve done plenty of drinking in a frat and not only was never raped or assaulted, but never saw or heard of anyone suffering the same fate in that house. </p>
<p>And that’s what you would tell your daughter? </p>
<p>Nobody should tell their daughter that. </p>
<p>Consolation, do you think that someone who was raped, in that frat house or elsewhere, would have told you? Would the rapist have told you? I’m not saying that rape was taking place in that frat, but nor do I think your assertions have any probative value that it wasn’t.</p>
<p>If we take “Jackie’s” story at face value, nevertheless almost no one at that party knew she was raped.</p>
<p>How about this story:
<a href=“College rape 'victim' recants story, alleged suspect released - nj.com”>College rape 'victim' recants story, alleged suspect released - nj.com;
<p>(no comments on the story on the newspaper’s website, interesting)</p>
<p>“Consolation, do you think that someone who was raped, in that frat house or elsewhere, would have told you? Would the rapist have told you? I’m not saying that rape was taking place in that frat, but nor do I think your assertions have any probative value that it wasn’t.”</p>
<p>It’s interesting to me that there are simultaneous threads - one where it’s terrible to prejudge or condemn young black men because <em>some</em> young black men commit crimes, and one where it’s just fine and dandy to prejudge or condemn fraternity members because <em>some</em> fraternity members commit crimes. </p>
<p>You know, I actually don’t prejudge or condemn fraternity members.</p>
<p>In fact, one of the big problems they are finding at UNC, where they ARE investigating ANY claim, even if it’s only the name of the house or the name of the dorm, is that a lot of times it’s not fraternity members but men who come to the party because it’s a place to find their prey. These rapists are predators.</p>
<p>There’s a reason I told my daughters to be careful. I told them to be careful about a LOT of things, and not just fraternity members. Also, dorm rooms, making sure somebody had met her date and knew who she was with, etc… common sense around strangers. But, freshman girls don’t “get” that these are strangers.</p>
<p>Fraternity house parties up til thanksgiving are dangerous. Some of them. But as a parent I dont have access to WHICH ones are dangerous. The best thing to do is to avoid them all until you figure it out. I see nothing prejudicial in that advice. At all.</p>
<p>My husband, who is the alumni advisor to his fraternity, and really tries hard to educate these young men, told my daughters the same thing. And, when oldest moved to Toronto? We gave her advice on waiting until she knew the neighborhoods, whatnot, etc… how to be smart.</p>
<p>“Street Smarts” on a college campus is waiting to see which houses are safe and which are not. </p>
<p>It seemed like the Rolling Stone article described a young woman who was identified and then targeted for violence. Her mother had warned her to be careful and so she didn’t drink at that house. No one had warned her not to go upstairs, as far as I could tell. I wish these warnings weren’t necessary. I tell young women I know not to ever go upstairs and not to have sex in fraternity houses, but I am giving insider advice. After that article, maybe all parents will be giving the same advice. I hate the burden is on young women to protect themselves on a college campus. I think we have really failed them.</p>
<p>Not all women are at risk even at the rapey houses. I have been thinking it for months but am not sure it does any good to point this out. It is profoundly disturbing to me.</p>
<p>The UVA Board of Visitors has just voted unanimously to adopt a zero tolerance policy for sexual assault. Expulsion will now be the penalty for sexual assault, not suspension, per Coy Barefoot, who has provided excellent coverage of this fall’s sad events. I don’t have any further details other than the BOV will reconvene on December 14th. </p>
<p>Great!</p>
<p><a href=“University of Virginia Officials Apologize In Wake of Rape Report”>http://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/university-virginia-officials-apologize-wake-rape-report-n255761</a></p>
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<p>Is Jackie co-operating and naming names?</p>
<p>“Consolation, do you think that someone who was raped, in that frat house or elsewhere, would have told you? Would the rapist have told you? I’m not saying that rape was taking place in that frat, but nor do I think your assertions have any probative value that it wasn’t.”</p>
<p>Really, CF. You have SUCH an agenda here. We get it, fraternity members are all just shallow pigs who look for any chance to assault women that they possibly can. Got it. </p>