<p>I found a website on which some Cavaliers posted some of the lyrics they remember. There were specific lyrics sung against specific schools UVa played football game against. <a href=“UVa Drinking Songs”>http://reocities.com/RodeoDrive/2693/drink.html</a></p>
<p>Here’s the tune, with one chorus. <a href=“RUGBY ROAD!! - YouTube”>RUGBY ROAD!! - YouTube;
<p>For the record, I agree that UVa isn’t the only school with a problem. </p>
<p>It is really disturbing but as hard as it is to read, as parents we have to. Although I dread it, my college bound D will be reading it over the upcoming break. I am beyond angry - enraged is a better word. And men are as well. I forwarded it to my husband. He was surprised the girl’s father hadn’t shown up at the frat house himself to take care of things. Probably not the best approach but I certainly understand the sentiment. </p>
<p>Looking at that case as a parent and assuming it happened as reported I don’t really care what the school does or doesn’t do. My kid would be at the police station.</p>
<p>“He was surprised the girl’s father hadn’t shown up at the frat house himself to take care of things. Probably not the best approach but I certainly understand the sentiment.”</p>
<p>I am pretty anti-gun but I swear, I would buy a gun and hunt these scumbags down; it would be worth it to spend the rest of my life in jail. If my husband hadn’t already gotten to them first. </p>
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<p>That was my gut reaction too. Show up at the frat house with a gun. If you could get several of them, a lifetime prison sentence might be worth it. </p>
<p>I have to remind myself that I do not believe in vigilanteism, not at all, and shooting the gang rapists down like the animals they are is not good policy. Because incidents like this make me forget. </p>
<p>Maybe she didn’t tell her parents (can’t remember whether it was stated in the article). There’s no way I would have been able to tell my parents if that happened to me-- and my parents loved me very much and were 1000% on my side.</p>
<p>That part brought tears to my eyes - the idea of your daughter suffering like that and not feeling like she could tell you. </p>
<p>Score one for Rolling Stone:</p>
<p><a href=“University Of Virginia Wants Investigation Of Alleged 7-Member Fraternity Gang Rape | HuffPost College”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost; </p>
<p><a href=“http://wtvr.com/2014/11/20/mcauliffe-on-rolling-stone-article/”>http://wtvr.com/2014/11/20/mcauliffe-on-rolling-stone-article/</a></p>
<p>The alleged gang-rape of a freshman by seven Phi Psi members at UVa allegedly took place in fall of 2012. </p>
<p>The victim told the university in spring 2013. </p>
<p>In May 2014, the victim told the university that two other women had also been gang-raped at Phi Psi. </p>
<p>You’d think that on discovering reason to believe that one of their fraternities had a little habit of gang-raping freshman, the University might act. But they only got around to an investigation in September 2014. Why caused that amazingly prompt and speedy response, do you suppose? I mean other than Rolling Stone informing UVa that they were writing a feature article, which would have happened around that time? Hey, no hurry. It’s no big problem if a few freshmen get gang-raped.</p>
<p>Now the story in Rolling Stones is sickening. In this case the response by UVA was an abomination. Clearly that girl was raped and nothing was done. </p>
<p>I don’t usually participate in these he said she said threads because it is hard to know what happened. </p>
<p>This time…the school knows who some of the guys are. The girl knows who some of the guys are. This happened to other girls. </p>
<p>Thr first guy who confesses and tells the story …give him 3 years. The rest of the guys…just throw away the keys and put them in cages. Freaking animals.</p>
<p>The jury should be made up of fathers of daughters…with the daughters preferably similar ages to college students.</p>
<p>Fathers of daighters won’t put up with the legal crap that is going to ensue. </p>
<p>The fraternity is over. Tear down the house. </p>
<p>Any hemming and hawing by the school…your fed funding is gone. The school was being investigated anyway.</p>
<p>No more bs.</p>
<p>I cannot tell you how bothersome the UVA story is. I read it last night and had nightmares all last night. Some people are animals. I kept thinking of the scene in the movie The Accused with Jodie Foster. </p>
<p>Sickening indeed. I think it’s especially informative to look at the response she got from her fellow students. It clearly illustrates just how strong the stranglehold of misogynistic frat culture is on campus life and why treating each and every case as an isolated incident involving just one or a few specific individuals is never going to solve this problem.</p>
<p>@mathyone Agreed</p>
<p>It is very sad, but waiting <em>months</em> to report a gang rape says something about society and families. The behavior of the “friends” also says something. I do not know what UVA should have done - if you cannot prove that a gang rape took place, is it worth the taxpayer dollars to prosecute?</p>
<p>I tell my kids they can tell me ANYTHING, and they SHOULD tell me anything. Do you wonder if this girl told her parents that night, what they would have done? (or would the parents be like the “friends” and worry about the “poor girl’s college career being ruined”. Does anyone in that story have ANY sense of what is important?</p>
<p>Due to the delay, now all we have is “he said, she said”.</p>
<p>I wonder, if someone’s cell phone is stolen, would they report it to the police? Or if your car was smashed up, would you just cry and say you’ll deal with it yourself? At what point did rape become different from other crimes?</p>
<p>Is this about shame and stigma resulting in criminals being free to commit more crimes? Or is this about the inconvenience of rape?</p>
<p>Do we have to ask our daughters on a daily basis if they’ve been raped? Do colleges have to have 24/7 anonymous rape crisis hotlines?</p>
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<p>No. Too many friends were involved. Too many people saw her bleeding afterwards. They will have to testify to talking her out of going in to report it.</p>
<p>I don’t agree that “all we have” is he said/she said.</p>
<p>If this were a murder? You’d want it investigated, even though there was no she to say it. </p>
<p>Rapes should be investigated like murders. Like, for example, the girl who was murdered by her boyfriend at UVA. If she was still alive? Would it be he said/she said? </p>
<p>I guess it only matters if you’re dead. </p>
<p>Reaction from current students isn’t encouraging:</p>
<p>"Many student say it’s emotional. Others didn’t want to comment fearing possible consequences for speaking out. Reactions were mixed overall. </p>
<p>“It might have been scapegoated in some sense because I’ve heard of incidents, not that they are any at all excusable, but I’ve heard rumors and things of that being more prevalent at other frats, so I don’t think this one should take all the blame,” said Nick, a UVA student."</p>
<p>How about this. Anybody who thinks this is sickening doesn’t go to anymore fraternity parties. Parents, stop paying fraternity dues <em>for all fraternities</em> on campus until the entire system is scrutinized and revamped.</p>
<p>What should the person at UVA who was told in the spring of what happened have done? That person should have picked up the phone and called the police. That’s what should have been done. Also the student should have been referred to counseling–bear in mind that she is an adult so there are limitations as to what could be done, but a call to LE should have been the first step. Then write up to the Dean of Students and whoever else in the UVA administration to start an investigation in those charges internally. They would have jumped faster and scambled more if the student had reported that students were cheating on the exams. </p>
<p>The schools should also make it V-E-R-Y clear to parents to get forms waiving privacy of the students so they can be informed of certain info. My DH makes sure I get cleared for all info from his work regarding benefit stuff as well as medical visits. The same should be right out there for students since it’s the parents who are financially responsible, but more importantly still often involved in the student’s health and welfare. The instant a student revokes that permission, an auto message should be sent to the parents and all of that covered in the consent form. Colleges do not make enough of those forms. I see many parents with no access to any college records and a school cannot under law inform parents of problems that might well be of interest and could be urgent. </p>
<p>As to the legal consequences, I doubt that there will be any conviction of rape in a court of law. What proof is there? Even if the three friends step up and admit what Jackie said and that they chose also to keep mum, that’s hearsay. Unless someone admists what happened, there is NO evidence at all here. </p>
<p>Bear in mind that that this could be an exaggerated story, or even a total lie. It has happened. We all like to say, " don’t blame the victim, but the reality is that victims HAVE to be put under scrutiny because sometimes they lie. Whether it’s rare or not, isn’t the issue, they do lie at time and have been so proven. </p>
<p>The focus should be on the infrastructure, not the episode which could or could not be true. A student reports a rape to a university official, and no report to the police, no internal investigation. </p>
<p>Yes, the shame and stigma make rape a crime that is difficult to prosecute. The nature of the crime is such that it often comes down to who said. Absent of any injuries, witnesses, recordings, any court decision requires proof beyond reasonable doubt that a rape occurred. In civil court, things aren’t as draconian, but it is not easy to get justice or recompense. There are good reasons for this, and I support it fully. However, the movements occurring today, are hopefully making it easier to have such crimes reported.</p>
<p>Bear in mind too, that a person reporting rape can get sued if there truly is no proof of it and there are grounds and reason that it could be pure vindictiveness. It does happen The"badger game" is one from years and years ago. There are false allegations. Rare that such false accusers recant–why should they? But they have. I’ve seen such cases.</p>
<p>So as appalling and horrifying as Jackie’s story is, the focus of criminal prosecution is up to LE, and yes, I doubt they will get enough such evidence. Civil suits, up to Jackie and parents and lawyers advice. Again, I doubt there is enough evidence. But UVA’s infrastructure and how they handled this is fair game. They did poorly and changes should be made to what’s happening here. </p>
<p>The frat? I hope the national office comes down hard on them. The whole underage drinking and other stunts that are pulled there should be shut down. If that were a private home, like mine or a restaurant/bar that served alcohol to minors, they’d be in so much trouble. In the Hannah Graham case, those who knowingly served her alcohol, even admit it freely, the students clearly know who they were, and those who let her walk off drunk, “highly intoxicated” is what the police and fellow students say, at night alone, they should be ashamed and there should be some honor code, conduct violations there. </p>
<p>I posted this link in the fraternity link as well.</p>
<p><a href=“What the Cosby uproar says about how far we've come”>What the Cosby uproar says about how far we've come;
<p>What I see is how much further we need to go.</p>
<p>Yes. But it’s changing. And the only people I see these days who are less interested in preventing rape and more interested in protecting the rights of rapists are the parents who only have boys. Some day they will have grand daughters. </p>
<p>We know that the UVA rape is being played out in other places. How many horrific gang rape scenarios do we have to see? How many gang rape reports does a school need to get? What is wrong with them?</p>
<p>the reason it took her so long to come forward is the same reason women have been silenced for far too long, and the reaction of the school is no different. </p>
<p>Given the reaction of the students at UVA, I would never send a girl there. Ever.</p>
<p>“Anybody who thinks this is sickening doesn’t go to anymore fraternity parties. Parents, stop paying fraternity dues <em>for all fraternities</em> on campus until the entire system is scrutinized and revamped.”</p>
<p>I’m not going to stop paying for my son’s fraternity dues. They don’t do stuff like that, and I ASSURE you my son, who has the biggest heart of gold in the universe, would never stand for any of his brothers doing anything even remotely like that. He’d be first to break the door down, rescue the girl, call the cops, and hold her while she cried. He is the very definition of a safe zone. </p>