NYU and clinical psych phd/masters in general psych

<p>I'll make this as concise as possible. I'm a senior psych major at USC, and I'm overwhelmed by the thought of applying to schools. I decided that I'd hold off on applying for the phd programs because I'm not sure I'm ready. I really want to do therapy and work with pathology in the future. I'm applying for the progressive master's at USC, but also probably one or two general psych MA programs (nyu, Columbia). I can't find any information about why NYU lost their accreditation in the clinical psych phd program. Should I be worried about their other psych programs? And I just happened (while searching about reasons for their lost accreditation) to stumble across this NYU Bellevue internship, which sounds like something I'd be really interested in for the future.</p>

<p>I'm also freaking out because I thought clinical psych was my phd goal, but I'm unsettled because I've been hearing too much about how CP is for research, not therapy. But I want to work with pathology?! Sorry, this is long and jumbled. If anyone wants to give a poor, confused girl some thoughts, I'd be so grateful!</p>

<p>Just as a note: the MA in psychology is at Teachers College, not in the GSAS at Columbia.</p>

<p>IMO, if you don’t feel ready to apply to PhD programs, you should apply for jobs. An MA in psychology is not really a big help for getting into PhD programs like it is in some other fields. What psychology programs really want is research experience, and you can get that working as a lab manager or project coordinator for a lab - and you’ll get paid and as a full-time employee of the university could probably also take some graduate psychology courses for free. Most clinical psychology programs will make you start over anyway, ignoring your MA credits. At best, they make take a semester.</p>

<p>I’m not really sure why NYU lost their accreditation…it could be any range of problems. I would not be worried about their other psychology programs, as NYU has a strong tradition in psychology and they have good programs.</p>

<p>So here’s the deal about clinical: the majority of clinical PhD graduates go into counseling and therapy, not research. However, in order to GET the PhD, you do need to have an interest in research, because you will have to do it in order to graduate (and because research informs your practice). There are three types of programs. There are clinical science programs, which are almost purely focused on clinical psych research, although the students do learn clinical work and are licensed just like any other clinical psychologist at the end. If you want to practice, don’t apply to those. Then there are scientist-practitioner programs, which make up the largest chunk. They focus on both, although not necessarily equally - it really depends on the program. Some S-P programs lean more towards the P, others more towards the S. The website should give you some indication of that. (This is also called the Boulder model.)</p>

<p>Then there is the newer practitioner model, also called the Vail model. These programs focus almost exclusively on practice, and a lot of them are housed in PsyD programs. They are gaining more and more respect within the psychological field as people begin to realize that folks don’t want to spend 6 years doing research and writing a dissertation if they want to counsel people. However, you will still be expected to do some research - you’ll still have to write a dissertation, for example. It’ll probably more be tailored towards practice, though.</p>

<p>Also consider counseling psychology programs. There’s a list on the APA website.</p>

<p>If you absolutely do not want to do ANY research, think about getting an MSW and going for a licensed clinical social worker.</p>

<p>Cosigned on being an LCSW. The SW scope is creeping rapidly on PhD Psychologists, and becoming licensed to practice is a hell of a lot faster than the Psych route (5-6 years of a doctorate, 2 years APPIC post-doc, etc.). </p>

<p>If you’re considering a PsyD, realize that there are really only two programs that are funded (I believe Baylor and Rutgers off the top of my head), and both are extremely competitive (moreso than most PhDs). The rest of the PsyD programs are comparable in cost to Med School ($40k-$50k/year for 4-5 years).</p>

<p>Thanks guys, those were both super helpful. I’m pretty sure I’m going to do the progressive master’s at USC. It’s an extra year of school tacked onto my undergrad, and I’m guaranteed in as long as I apply and find a mentor before the end of this semester. The advisors keep telling me -cautioning almost- how much research it is. You do a research project, so if nothing else it will give me a publication, experience, and a clue to whether I can do it for 6 years. Then I’ll probably apply to clinical psych phd programs and MSWs… The latter has been sounding increasingly better to me</p>

<p>Student Doctor Forums have two boards specific to each Doctoral-Level and Masters (i.e., MSW/LCSW)-level clinicians:</p>

<p>[Psychology</a> [Psy.D. / Ph.D.] - Student Doctor Network Forums](<a href=“Psychology [Psy.D. / Ph.D.] | Student Doctor Network”>Psychology [Psy.D. / Ph.D.] | Student Doctor Network)</p>

<p>[Mental</a> Health and Social Welfare [M.A., M.S.W., B.S., B.A.] - Student Doctor Network Forums](<a href=“Mental Health and Social Welfare | Student Doctor Network”>Mental Health and Social Welfare | Student Doctor Network)</p>

<p>Those two get a lot more traffic specific to psychology/counseling/clinical therapy than anything in CC.</p>