NYU LSP vs. U of Toronto

Colleges and Universities A-Z New York University
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<p>Hi guys! I am in the biggest dilemma right now. Should I pick NYU liberal studies program or U of toronto bachelor of arts and science? I haven't figured out what i wanna be in the future yet, but i will probs study law or medicine for graduate school. Personally, I want to work in the states, but i heard that jobs are much harder to find in the states nowadays. (Is it applicable for nyu graduate as well?)
I have listed the strengths&weaknesses of both schools. </p>

<p>For u of toronto:
Pros:
I got major entrance scholarship, and the tuition is much cheaper.
I get to study courses I like.
Cons:
U of Toronto has higher acceptance rate compared to NYU, which means NYU has "better" students.
Toronto is very cold... (well nyu too)
Large class size in general (>100 ppls)</p>

<p>For NYU:
Pros:
It is said that LSP has small class, so that I get more chance to interact with students and professors.
For lsp, I get to study abroad.
internship program, close to Wall Street, lots of opportunities
easier to get into American graduate school</p>

<p>Cons:
Extremely expensive tuition (20k+ more than u of toronto for a year) The extra tuition is affordable for my family, but it will certainly put some strain on our finances...
difficult to find a job and stay in the states afterwards
for liberal studies program, I have to study specific courses (cultural foundation, social foundation etc.) and transition to other schools in junior year</p>

<p>I just wonder.. is there a big difference of education quality between NYU and u of toronto?Their rankings are on the same level.. but I always feel like u of t is much easier to get into. I have a friend whose average grade is lower than 80%, but he still gets into u of toronto..</p>

<p>I am so helpless right now. Any suggestions? advice?
Your help and guidance will be very much appreciated. :))))</p>

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<p>anyone pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ?</p>

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<p>definitely go to Toronto University, it’s much cheaper, and the education + reputation will definitely be on par with NYU.</p>

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<p>The courses you have to study as part of the LSP program are, as far as I know, merely the general education requirements that NYU students have to take, so you’re not having to take any courses a student in NYU College of Arts and Sciences would not have to take. So, you’re merely fulfilling educational requirements during your first two years which CAS students usually fulfill during their first two years anyway - so it’s really not all that different. </p>

<p>You’ll have much smaller class sizes at NYU - only 9% of NYU classes have more than 50 students. Most of those classes are all into classes and the general education requirements. Since you’ll be taking the Gen. Eds through LSP, none of those classes would have 50 or more students for you; the only courses you would come across with 50+ students would be your intro class for your major. Pretty much every other course you had at NYU would have less than 50 students. </p>

<p>So - are the small class sizes important to you? </p>

<p>As far as rankings go - QS puts Toronto ahead of NYU for academic reputation (overall), employer reputation (overall) and citations per faculty. NYU only comes ahead in student to faculty ratio. </p>

<p>As far rankings by subjects go, NYU beats Toronto in Arts and Humanities, Social Sciences and Management subjects; whereas Toronto beast NYU in Medicine and Life Sciences, Natural Sciences and Engineering and Technology. </p>

<p>This isn’t surprising since NYU is well known as being one of the top research universities in the world for arts, social sciences and humanities. This is reflected in the ARWU rankings, which put NYU as the number 10 school in the world for social sciences (Cambridge is at 19) and Toronto at 46. For economics and business NYU is ranked 9 in the world, much higher than Toronto. </p>

<p>On the other hand, Toronto, according to the ARWU, is much better at science/mathematics combined ranking (although, the Courant Institute for Mathematics is one of the best in the world, with applied mathematics being ranked #1 in the world at NYU; and NYU overall is ranked much better in mathematics than Toronto). Toronto is also significantly much better at Engineering/Technology and Computer Science. The same for clinical medicine, physics, chemistry and computer science. </p>

<p>They are ranked about the same in life and agricultural sciences. </p>

<p>So - the question is, what do you want to major in? Anything sciences/computer science related, Toronto is the winner. </p>

<p>Anything social sciences, humanities or other arts, NYU is winner. NYU actually has more than one department ranked as #1 in the world, and most social sciences/humanities at NYU are top 10 in the world.</p>

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<p>be ware, you could and will be kicked out for low grades if you slack off !</p>

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<p>and that’s one of the perception of U of T, Toronto is a great city(YAY MY City ! :D) , but do realize that U of T is known for taking their chance on students during admission because they are slightly easier to get in for those without a high grade , in some ways at least. However, always ,always remember its not a walk in the park. You have to study hard , and you will be rewarded for doing so. If you slack off, well good luck to that.
Google U of T kickout rate.</p>

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<p>Thank you for the reminder! I can’t predict what my university grade is gonna be, but i can tell you that my highschool grade is pretty high (surprisingly haha).</p>

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<p>I know it makes me sound kinda stupid but i am just gonna say it anyways… i haven’t figured out what i want to major in. I mean, people always talk about social science, humanities and arts, political science and all the other majors, but we know little about how the experience will be know if we do study in them, right? I know I am very into sociology, international relations and biochemistry (extremely different path, i know), and I may want to go into law school/med school for graduate. So is there any way that I can achieve a compromise between these two? I hesitated to choose NYU cuz i know that i cannot study international relations right away in LSP, while in u of toronto i can do that.</p>

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<p>Thank you very much for such detailed information!</p>

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<p>if i were in your situation i would choose NYU, U of T is not really as easy as you think it is. </p>

<p>A in Canada is not a 90 , and its not as easy to get an A as you think it is in Canada, its a proven fact. Not saying Americans are dumb or any thing like that , teachers here in Canada don’t usually give 90s , if at all.</p>

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<p>so you are saying that u of toronto is not easy, and that’s why i should choose nyu…? I am a bit confused.</p>

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<p>sorry let me rephrase , my suggestion is to go in U of T forums and ask around see if it would be a right choice for your conditions.</p>

<p>2nd , what I meant is that only if i were in your situation , i would choose NYU just for the amazing city. :D</p>

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<p>UFT is painfully average for undergrad in terms of its student body since it lets in almost every applicant. Almost every average student in my graduating class was accepted to UFT. NYU is signicificalty more prestigious for undergrad, the location is much better and the student body will be more dynamic. Unless finances are a big issue I’d say its a no brainer.</p>

<p>Yes UFT is generally ranked higher, but those rankings are based on the research produced by the university. UFT has an extremely strong graduate program, but frankly, UFT for undergraduate is simply average in every sense of the word.</p>