<p>busted.</p>
<p>What is with these bitter AEM rejects?</p>
<p>I didn’t expect someone would actually go out of there way to check. </p>
<p>For the record, I do think that NYU Stern is a better business school. Both of them were reaches for me, and I got lucky with one I guess, but I’m happy it was Stern instead of AEM. </p>
<p>People lie, but the rankings don’t, and the recruiting statistics don’t.</p>
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<p>I guess since the rankings are made people, they definitely aren’t infallible, but I think they’re worth more objectively than the opinions of random people on the Cornell board.</p>
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<p>Right. It’s a good thing this post is only opinion.</p>
<p>Amazing dudemancool123, I absolutely hate people like you. You should leave this forum while you still have your dignity.</p>
<p>lol I love this time of the year. Is it time for Muertapueblo to come back yet?</p>
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A school that admits less than a quarter of its applicants is a “back up school”? Sounds like you guys have some crappy guidance counselors.
LOLWUT? The logic is so screwed up on so many levels, but one thing really bothered me and that was the use of state boundaries. Princeton and Yale (even Harvard’s about the same distance as Ithaca) are much closer to NYC than Cornell is, but they don’t have any part in damaging NYU’s reputation because they happen to be in a different state? Seemed kind of random to use state lines to make your already f’ed up point.
Oh lord. I don’t want to get into this, but c’mon. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? “Let’s outdbag the dbags! Yeah, man!”
I might start ■■■■■■■■ the Penn board and just tag everything with “USNEWS + ACCEPTANCE RATE + PRESTIGE + CRAPPY IVY?” and wait for him to come out of the woodwork.</p>
<p>Muerte is a she. She may have graduated by now. Not that that hasn’t stopped some of us.</p>
<p>She deserves all the crap she gets. From “he sounds fresh off the boat Asian” to starting threads for kids applying early decision when she’s already a student to gauging a school’s value by counting the number of Nobel Prize winners they produced in the last decade, muerte takes CC overkill (and, yes, I went through her archived post thing for a second to compile the shenanigans and I know that means I’m as bad as her BUT THAT’S NOT THE POINT, SIR!) to new heights of insanity. Almost has bad as the “DD and DS” helicopter parents. Almost. /rage</p>
<p>This thread is pretty hilarious, not going to lie. </p>
<p>This misconceptions running through it are amusing, to say the least. I guess I’ll take my shot at a few, but then again I think a note to some of the vets on here might be to let some of these ignorant kids go to college and learn these things on their own. My response is more tailored towards helping those who are actually pursuing help; for those of you simply looking to say idiotic things I’ll try and ignore you. </p>
<p>First of all, the idea that Stern will present a student with greater “business connections” is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Here’s an anecdote: out of 4 of my close friends at NYU Stern, 1 is a junior, 2 are sophs, and 1 is a freshman. The freshman tried in vain to find something this summer. The sophs are doing non-finance things to try and get something on their resumes for finance internships next summer. The junior took a back office job in order to say they did something, with the hope of breaking into front office as a graduating senior (she has about a 3.8 GPA, so it’s not because she’s not intelligent either). </p>
<p>On the flip side, I know that there are two SOPHOMORES in ILR specifically who got IBD spots at Goldman Sachs. If you extend all grades, I currently PERSONALLY know 8 people who secured Goldman IBD spots this summer, and I’m sure there are more I’ve never talked to. On their summer intern lists, the eight of them combined know one Stern student. Without saying too much about myself, I had two phone interviews today; one with a BB bank and one with a VC firm, and I currently already have two offers on the table, so I’d say I’m doing fine as an ILR student in business. </p>
<p>Next, the idea that Cornell has no prestige beyond the “Ivy League Name” and that Stern is much better for business is also pretty ridiculous. Today I (sadly, what a beautiful day in Ithaca it was =/) spent two hours assembling a list of ILR graduates who are CURRENTLY working at BB banks in Investment Banking (remember that about 85% of all bankers exit the industry after 2-3 years for business school and never return). Remember that this does not include AEM alumni or CAS alumni-- ONLY ILR alumni. I have 32 pages of font size 10 contacts, most of which are VP’s, some associates and analysts, and by my count 14 MD’s (one of the top positions in finance). Remember that these are the top banks in the country, and these are widely considered to be the hardest jobs to get coming out as an undergrad. I think it is fair to assume that success in this field can be at least some what translational to other sectors of business. The OP mentioned Sports internships: I saw a brochure of JUST sports related internships in the ILR Career Services Office just earlier today. Call and give them an ask if you wish. </p>
<p>As far as “rankings” go:
[Business</a> School Rankings and Profiles: EMBA, Executive Education, MBA, Part-time MBA, Distance MBA](<a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)
Businessweek seems to believe AEM is better than Stern, and anyone knowledgeable about oncampus recruiting at Cornell will tell you that this year there were a grand total of ZERO internships that AEM students were able to apply for that ILR students weren’t (there were however about 20 that were exclusive to ILR however). Just food for thought. </p>
<p>Also, from personal experience: If your so set on rankings, I attended what was according to US News a Top 5 High School in the US, which has sent a good portion of its graduating class to ivy leagues in the past year. We are not located near NYC.
According to my schools student website right now, this last year we had:
NYU Stern: 17 Applicants/ 12 acceptances
Cornell AEM: 9 applicants/ 0 acceptances </p>
<p>Of the 9 applicants to AEM, 8 of them applied to Stern.
I suppose simple probability will disagree with you. </p>
<p>I am not knocking Stern by any means. I think it’s a great program and I was ecstatic to get in last year. However, the type of students who go to Stern and the type of students who go to Cornell/ILR specifically are completely different, and I simply associated myself with the latter. Further, I don’t think there’s much of a competition between Stern and Cornell when it comes to what I specifically want to do. Also, the notion that ILR is incomparable to Stern because ILR is not a “business” program is absolutely ridiculous. </p>
<p>The reasons I would give for attending Stern are not rankings or prestige or name recognition. However, if a student wants to STUDY business and is only going to ILR to transition into the business world and will not appreciate the specific education that ILR offered, please do not waste my time. As much as I would like my classes to have easier curves, I’d rather someone come who won’t be a detriment to my discussion section. </p>
<p>ILR is a place where students are passionate about what they learn and engage in a specific style of education that has little to do with labor or business and much more with the interaction of people and how the ramifications of these interactions affect and are affected by the implications of society. In my opinion you have to be an intelligent thinker, a leader, and a dedicated and hard-worker to excel in the iLR School, which is why ILR students on a yearly basis will go to places like Goldman Sachs or Harvard Law School, and why we see ILRies go on to do things ranging from getting the Rhodes Scholar (2007) or becoming MD’s at BB banks, partners at top law firms, or Professors at Harvard Business School. </p>
<p>Students thrive in life after ILR because ILR attracts the type of students who thrive, not because of some interest in labor or finance. There’s a reason why the two candidates for Student Government President, the student VP Finance of the University, and the President of the Universities top undergraduate business honor society are all ILR Students (without an AEM student in sight). </p>
<p>Finally, the idea brought forth that professors at ILR/Cornell are “subpar” or that the education is lesser is nothing short of a blatant lie. I don’t know where that information comes from, but it certainly isn’t true. A few of my professors this year previously taught at Yale (one in Philosophy and one in government), UPenn (Philosophy), MIT (Organizational Behavior) and UChicago (Economics). Sorry if this doesn’t match up to NYU professors. </p>
<p>Also, I just checked, and I never once used the word “labor” in any of my essays or applicatoin (unlesss you count “the School of Industrial Labor Relations”).Thought that was a pretty horrible stereotype as well. </p>
<p>Finally: dudemancool123-- Sorry you got rejected but no need to take it out on others. I hope you have a great time at Stern. </p>
<p>PS. It’s 4:30 AM so sorry if there are an abundance of typos.</p>
<p>/endrant.</p>
<p>Wow, thanks everyone for the input!</p>
<p>@ roneald, thanks for the informational post. I was accepted to ILR as a guaranteed transfer for the fall 2011 and was debating whether to attend stern or berkeley for my first year(most likely going to berkeley). The information you presented was very helpful and will heavily assist me in making my decision. </p>
<p>On a side note, what would be your opinion on this choice (either transferring to ilr after freshmen year or staying at Berkeley and pursuing the Haas business school path?)</p>
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<p>See how you like it at Berkeley and then make a decision. No use speculating about it now.</p>
<p>There’s been a lot of speculation about every single girl I’m with and it actually does quite irritate me after a while, more so because it’s a complete pain for the girls.
Prince William </p>
<p>haha, just thought i’d throw this post in there in response to cayugared</p>
<p>You seem like you got enough to chew on, but I would add, don’t think you cannot compete at Cornell.</p>
<p>Cornell was a reach for my daughter, and she was a bit intimidated when she started this past Fall.</p>
<p>She made dean’s list last semester and is headed to repeat that.</p>
<p>Of course, my daughter is one of the most organized people you will ever meet, and has fantastic time management skills and obviously worked very hard (but also played hard).</p>
<p>So work hard, organize your work and time, and I am sure you will be fine if you go to Cornell.</p>
<p>I definitely have a lot to think about. Thanks for all the advice :)</p>
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<p>I would say on the original Cal vs Stern, you should evaluate costs, what industry you want to go into, and where you want to work. </p>
<p>EC, Finance, and you have money/fin aid = Stern
WC, anything other than Finance or Finance in SF specifically/cash is issue = Cal</p>
<p>Then, evaluate where you are after a year and decide if the transfer is worth it. </p>
<p>Also, think about whether or not ILR will really be able to aid you in whatever you want to do.</p>
<p>This topic is extremely biased towards Cornell since it is in Cornell’s section xD.
But yeah, i know a lot of my friends who chose Stern over Cornell, Darthmouth,and Brown.
In the end, it all depends on what you want to do. If Business, choose Stern. If others, Cornell might be right for you.
Overall, they are both very good schools, but you can’t really compare them with each other.</p>