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but there's only so far an undergrad can go...in the end, they cant compare to an MBA.
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<p>LMAO @ this. Some undergrads can only go so far.</p>
<p>Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Michael Dell was a UT dropout. Dave Thomas didn't even get his GED until he was in his 60s. My cousin is under 35 years of age and is a VP at a large Fortune 500 company. He was an economics major at UT and didn't even have good enough grades to transfer into UT's business school. He never got his MBA. My brother had a 2.0 in college and has made 6 figures every year since he graduated with a bachelors degree.</p>
<p>Congrats on Stern; it's really an underrated school...</p>
<p>however saying Stern almost close to Wharton is simply wrong. As people have said, Whartonites choose not to get MBAs because they don't need it. Stern people might get stuck as an analyst and be forced to get an MBA, but Wharton grads definitely don't need it. Wharton has a lot more job opportunities, and much more recruiting. </p>
<p>I understand that you're extremely excited about Stern, but there are other programs such as Wharton that are strictly better...</p>
<p>Also, I would only go to stern if I'm sure I wanted to go into investment banking, since that's one of the major pro's of going to a target undergrad. If you're not set on finance, maybe you should consider other options as well</p>
<p>thnx guys. i cant tell you how valuable all this help has been. i have heard this "hate" b4, gonseheim...but we have this group on facebook and all of us are bonding really well. i mean, its only been a week since i joined and i already kno like 100 ppl going to stern next year. idk...it may just depend on year to year.
and guys, i'm not saying a wharton UG makes u less competitive in the long run for a MBA. i am just saying that because of the early success of wharton grads, a MBA may seem unnecessary for them (time+money), but having a MBA really opens a heck of lot options for u more than an undergrad can do...even if it is from wharton. i mean, compare a undergrad from wharton and a MBA from harvard? yea?
well, thnx alot. like i said, all of ur opinions and perspectives are really helpful!
ps: can undergrads frm stern really earn more than 100k a year? wow. i heard it was like avg. 55k frm stern and 57k frm wharton (both without bonuses)</p>
<p>haha well I surely wasn't hating at all...you were just stating something that is unequivocally untrue. Wharton is a much better program than Stern, but yes, Stern is a very strong program--and if you are talking about finance, its #2 (behind Wharton). I'm sure you will have a good time at Stern and you will get along with the people there, but you will also be able to attest to the fact that everyone hates sternies. This includes sternies themselves, recruiters, and people at the other schools at nyu. And, like anything else, there are exceptions to this rule--there are plenty of good, fun kids at stern. But the majority of them are unbearable. You will learn next year that people at Stern are cut-throat and socially awkward. </p>
<p>As for your question, yes, you can make more than 100K your first year if you work in IBD at a BB that pays exceptionally well. Other than that, I am unaware of any other job that pays so highly at such a young age (possibly consulting? but there are zero consulting firms recruiting at nyu--mostly because a lot of employers have the same view of Sternies: *******s who are damn good at crunching numbers).</p>
<p>wow i am kind of nervous about stern right now. I applyed early and was accepted. I do work hard and love business and all that stuff, but I do plan to party hard as I have done throughout highschool...will I have any friends at stern? because even based on the facebook group it seems its just all asian kids who just want to study ALL day long?</p>
<p>haha yeah stern is filled with oriental/indian kids. i don't think you'll be studying all day though. its nyu..youll have friends in the other schools too.</p>
<p>Actually I beg to differ. Stern is an overrated school. As Harvardman said, it really is full of cutthroat students who will push thier 'friends' down to get that internship.</p>
<p>its not so much that people at stern are naturally bad, its the culture of selfishness and hatred that is scary. if you hear these things beforehand and you see it yourself first year, you will start adjusting to those values and such and start pledging AKPsi or something(business frat full of people I was describing) if you don't want to fall behind. Im sure you are going to stern because you want to get a good Finance related job offer MORE THAN to become a moral human being... Thats why stern is the way it is.</p>
<p>i just picked because i live in ny and cant see myself anywhere else..wtvr i guess all my friends will come from the other schools</p>
<p>OK i am seriously considering going to stern for finance, but now i'm a bit weary b/c i've heard so much crap about the competitiveness.......am i the only person that thinks there can be good side to business?</p>
<p>people on these boards need to stop talking about things they know nothing about. harvardman is an example</p>
<p>any undergrad bschool you go to will be competitive. Just like the business world is competitive. If you can't stand the heat, get the **** out of the kitchen.</p>
<p>the thing with undergrad b schools is that the overwhelming majority want entry level positions at bulge bracket firms, so it is indeed extremely cutthroat in terms of who gets what interview, where...</p>
<p>another problem is that you'll be constantly thinking of finance and internships for most of the year.</p>
<p>so just get to know a LOT of regular NYU students, hang out with them, and you'll be fine</p>
<p>yea, the facebook group is filled with asians, but they're more socially awkward, repressed asians than power-hungry competitive ones. And I think people being afraid of not making friends is pretty 3rd grade. If you have a fun personality and make an effort to get to know people, then you'll have friends. But if you go through life judging people (or schools) before you get to even know them, then you won't make any friends - and people won't want to get to know you. </p>
<p>If you're going to the University Day reception on 4/15, no doubt you'll see a lot of asians, like me for example. But don't stereotype and lump us all together, because all throughout high school, I've partied harder than I worked hard, and I still got into Stern RD.</p>
<p>oh, well if you got in RD then you must be real smart</p>
<p>"If you have a fun personality and make an effort to get to know people, then you'll have friends. But if you go through life judging people (or schools) before you get to even know them, then you won't make any friends - and people won't want to get to know you."</p>
<p>lol, venus... when your stern "friends" purposely give you the wrong answer while studying for the microeconomics exam WITH you, I hope you can still say the same thing. this happened to my friend, so i didnt make it up. there was another where it was the last day of class and this kid passed a note around the class asking people to give him 5 dollars each so he can buy flowers for the teacher. In turn, he would get to suck up AND make some cash cuz flowers definitely dont cost 100 dollars. enjoy your first semester and be thankful that you dont need to take any stern classes.</p>
<p>well lets not get too technical but a nice bouquet of roses would definitely cost $100. and I'm sorry, but I hope no one was stupid enough to give that idiot $5. Whoever gave him their money is retarded. And as for friends giving you the wrong answers before exams...lets face it, if you can't figure out the answers for yourself, you aren't going to do well in any school. I hope your friend had the intelligence to study the material for himself and not rely on other people to complete his education. </p>
<p>yes, stern is hyper-competitive, just like any good undergrad bschool will be. Its a competitive world and the world of business certainly is no exception (and schools like Stern prepare you for this). There are definitely drawbacks to going to a top school--no, you aren't going to get to go to all of the keggers and frat parties as if you went to san diego st. Yes, there will be nights that you wished you didn't go to stern, and times when you want to kill your classmates. Just like there will be times when you work in the business world when you hate your job and your colleagues. Good schools prepare you for the real world, they don't give you a vacation for 4 years.</p>
<p>I agree with everything gonsenheim said here.</p>
<p>oh, and just because this happened to your friend doesn't mean that other this is typical of stern as a school. I think you have to have the competitive attitude in business anyway, although it's up to you to determine your own morals. As for me, I know what kind of a person I am, and I know I don't take **** from anyone, so consequently, I know my college experiences will be determined my ME, instead of other people. And when you have all these opportunities to meet new people and you somehow manage to trust the wrong people, that's your problem.</p>
<p>haha Stern is full of asians who were rejected from Wharton and who feel that they have to compensate for this by being total dicks to their classmates to get to the top.</p>