<p>Anyone know why students at NYU/Tisch/CAP21 don’t seem to post YouTube videos of their shows, voice labs, etc. in the same way as do the kids elsewhere, most notably the kids at Michigan, who have developed a cult following?? :)</p>
<p>MY D and I have scoured the internet for some CAP21 (Tisch) videos and other than a humorous short video making fun of the stereotypes in each school (Tisch, Gallatin, CAS, Stern, etc.) there really isn’t anything that we can find. </p>
<p>It would be nice to see some Tisch/CAP21 YouTubes posted. (I’ll tell my D to get right on it and tape something when she joins the Class of 2012. :))</p>
<p>As far as shows go, having the license for a show does not give a school the rights to tape the show, let alone put it online. There is also much discussion along similar lines about the performance of music from shows. My understanding is that Tisch does not want to take any chances at violating license agreements, nor do they want to antagonize any composers whose music they have obtained permission to use.</p>
<p>alwaysamom, I apologize for not wording my post more carefully. If you look on YouTube, you will see many videos from voice labs, classes, in-class performances, etc. at University of Michigan, Penn State and so on. Is it a copyright infringement for a student to videotape his classmate singing, for instance, "Suddenly Seymour"? (Just pulled that out of the air.)</p>
<p>With shows, they don't allow videos and so I have no videos of any shows my kid has been in and they surely are not put up on the internet. </p>
<p>As far as videos of other sorts of stuff at school like in class and what not, I don't think any of it is video taped and I've never seen anything like that, let alone on YouTube. Not sure what to say but Tisch doesn't seem to have any of that promotional stuff out there either. </p>
<p>While not CAP21 or Tisch, there are videos of the NYU a capella group, N'Harmonics online....from concerts at school and from competitions including the recent northeast championships they won at MIT and the international finals they placed in at Lincoln Center. Many in the group attend Tisch but not all are in Tisch. Some are in CAP21 but many are not. Lots of talented singers in the group. Very recently one member of the group was cast as the swing in the new Glory Days on Broadway, another member was just cast in Spring Awakening on Broadway, and one member but recent graduate of the group was cast as the lead in Broadway's Mamma Mia and another recent graduate of the group is cast in the Hair production that will be in Central Park this summer. The music performed by this group is not musical theater, however, but is pop/rock. </p>
<p>I know shows are not on YouTube and I am unaware of any video taping of in class performances and various cabarets and showcases. When I attended my D's class "revue" in CAP21 last year, we were not allowed to video it and I saw no video taping going on. </p>
<p>While not video, there is a myspace site for the recent mainstage production at Tisch, Only Children. On that site are several songs recently recorded by the cast (it was a premier of a new musical), although a couple songs on the site are not the Tisch cast and are from the Lincoln Center lab workshop but there is a date for each song on the site and the ones for 2008 are the current Tisch cast members. So, those are audio recordings. There are also photos of the production on Tisch's site for theater tech. Just no videos.</p>
<p>I wish I had videos of all the things my D has done in college but none are allowed and our days of owning videos of all her performances are over (this goes for all her Tisch shows and all her professional ones).</p>
<p>PS..in CAP, every semester they have "demos" (which is kinda what other schools might call "evals" but there are no cuts or anything) and I recall in freshman year, my D recorded her classmates singing their demos on her IPod (not video). That's about it!</p>
<p>Thanks, guys. My D just found herself wishing that there were some video clips of Tisch/CAP21 kids doing their voice labs, etc. in the same way that kids at Michigan and Penn State, for instance, post theirs. It is amazing to me what a following some schools' videos have developed. (For instance, there are clips from Michigan's mainstage production of Carousel up already.) The copyright thing makes sense, though.</p>
<p>NMR, like Susan, I've never heard of any Tisch class or production being videoed. I have to say that the frequency and ease with which some colleges allow this does surprise me. It is obviously a conscious policy with some programs to allow it to be done and also to allow it to be put on youtube. Is it for promotional reasons? I have no idea. I actually can't think of a good reason for it being done.</p>
<p>Actually, I hadn't visited the Only Children site in a while and I just did and they have changed the audio clips to only ones from the Tisch cast (not the Lincoln Center Lab workshop) and put up five new ones and took down some others they had up there before from the cast recording. So, while it is not video, it is a recording of five songs from the show with the Tisch cast, accompanied by a picture from the show of each song.
MySpace.com</a> - Only Children - BROOKLYN, New York - Showtunes / Classical / Other - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/onlychildrenmusical%5B/url%5D">www.myspace.com/onlychildrenmusical</a></p>
<p>alwaysamom, I think that the schools must allow it for promotional reasons. Talk to high school musical theater kids and you will inevitably hear them rave on and on about Michigan's videos in particular. Go to YouTube and put in "Michigan MT" and pages of videos will come up from student performances, voice labs, concerts and even performances, such as the one I mentioned of Carousel that was staged there a month or so ago. These videos do have an effect: when talking with other parents about where their kids wanted to go to school, people would say things like "Well, we are so impressed by the YouTubes of those Michigan kids" and so on. Conversely, I heard kids and parents criticize other schools because the videos on YouTube were not that good. So I definitely think that having these video clips up on YouTube is a very effective marketing tool for these programs, as the clips allow prospective students to see current students in action. That said, again, I understand the copyright issues and respect that NYU does not want those breached.</p>
<p>It does seem promotional to me, particularly how some schools put up their senior showcases on You Tube, etc.</p>
<p>By the way, I wonder if the copyright issue is actually as big a deal as it seems. Remember when a fuss erupted because so many Saturday Night Live clips were posted on YouTube, and the powers that be pulled them all? Well, in case you haven't noticed, they are all back. It turned out that the copyright issues was not a big deal, apparently because the YouTubes were not being posted to make a profit for the posting parties. So if someone videotaped a musical at a university and posted it on YouTube and was not profiting from it financially, then it may not be a copyright infringement at all. At least, that is how it was explained to me. (I admit I may be wrong.)</p>
<p>Hey guys. I'm in CAP21. We're not allowed to post things on youtube anymore. We just had a huge mandatory lunch meeting about it. You might still find some stuff if you look hard enough--especially dance. ;)</p>
<p>I don't know about the SNL issue but when you obtain the license to perform a show, you are licensed to perform the show, not videotape it. And you are definitely not given permission to put it online. MTI and Samuel French have attorneys investigating illegal productions as well as infringements all the time. The issue is the same whether you are profiting from it or not. Same with a production, you still need the license to perform a show, regardless of whether or not you are charging admission. </p>
<p>Maybe you're right and some schools do this for 'promotional purposes' but most schools do not. Schools shouldn't have to do this for promotional purposes. It's difficult to imagine that Michigan feels that this is necessary to promote their excellent program. Are people truly choosing where to apply to college based on youtube videos? Although the videos can be fun to watch, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the importance of them in the college admissions process. Firstly, the quality of the videos usually leaves a LOT to be desired and, like all bootleg videos, should not be considered an accurate representation of a performance. I don't disagree that seeing shows at the colleges you're interested in can be a valuable experience, but, in my opinion, it's one small piece in the puzzle of researching programs. And, frankly, the type of shows that are done would be a more important part of the research for most theatre kids.</p>
<p>NMR, I don't know the ins and outs of copyright and other legal issues. I do know that when a parent put up videos on YouTube of the premier of the first high school edition cast of RENT at my D's theater camp, MTI demanded that they be removed and they were.</p>
<p>I also do not think schools need to promote their programs or students via YouTube. </p>
<p>Also, if I were selecting a program, I wouldn't put that much into what I saw of the productions on YouTube. Seeing shows live would be of interest but would not be a big deciding factor. I agree with the point that students should look at the types of shows and the production season as that differs from school to school. Some schools put on traditional musical theater and some put on new works or contemporary musicals and so forth and these differences might appeal to some and not others.</p>
<p>alwaysamom, all you say makes sense (as usual)! And as for my own kid, she clearly didn't make her decision as to where to go to college based on YouTube videos, as she chose NYU/Tisch/CAP21 and could not be more excited about it. But yeah, I did hear more than a few parents of high school MTs discuss the quality of performances they found on YouTube as a serious indicator of the talent level at the respective schools. Of course, these poor quality video clips undoubtedly are not a fair way to assess the level of talent at a particular program, but kids weigh that in nonetheless. Again, that all said, I respect NYU's decision. It makes sense to me. But this has been an interesting discussion nonetheless!</p>
<p>There are some on facebook, I've seen friends'. Also there were some recently of the pop/rock night at Joe's Pub.</p>
<p>The amount of copyright infringment that makes it on to youtube is a bit ridiculous. </p>
<p>Oh, and I thought the steriotype movie you found was really funny.</p>