<p>lools good too...... i mean everything is above normal and i bet having a prof writer as your mother will really show in Essays......... ummmm GPA is great too..... Act is average.......
ECs are very good too.......better than mine.... well mine are a lot more sports related........... I think your Daughter has a very solid chance...... but i can only give u a reasonable estimate as you can.... but ID say 8 out of 10...... the 9 would be a deffekrl and the only way i see her being rejected is if the applicant pool is crazy good..... </p>
<p>Good luck to both of you..... week and a half???</p>
<p>So they come in the mail the 15th? I just got defered from Dartmouth ED, so I really want to get into ND because it is my #2 or #3 and so I don't have to do a bunch of other apps.</p>
<p>Do I have a shot?</p>
<p>URM---Hispanic</p>
<p>31 ACT
3.65 UW GPA
School doesn't rank
710 SATII Lit
630 SATII USH
4 on APUSH</p>
<p>Good ECs (at least I think so)... 3 varsity sports every year of high school and I am the captain of those three varsity teams this year (won't be playing in college,though), Tour Guide (11), Assistant Head Tour Guide (12), Lacrosse Club 9-12 (founder), Photographer/Sports Writer for the Newspaper (9-12), Classic Film Club 10, SADD 9-12 (Vice President 12; VP Finance 11), Writing Center Tutor (12), Diversity Awareness Club (11-12), Spanish Club 9-12, Red Cross Certified in CPR, First Aid, and Lifeguarding, I have been lifeguarding at my local pool for 2 years</p>
<p>The Act average at nd is a 31.... but ive heard from other sources its a 32.... so you are average </p>
<p>I think that GPA is whats really going to hurt you...... .... have you taken the hardest courseload offered at your school? what does the weighted gpa look like?</p>
<p>Yeah I've taken the most challenging courses I could handle. Hopefully my HS report will clear up my GPA because there is some pretty bad deflation at my school. I just really want to get in because getting defered sucks.</p>
<p>My understanding is there are lots of ways for them to assess the difficulty of a school, through lists of its curriculums, profiles of the student body and test scores as a whole, percentage of kids who go on to 2- and 4- year colleges. That's the only way they can deal with this no-ranking trend in high schools today. </p>
<p>I did quite a bit of research on that aspect of things to debate the school administration at my d's high school, when they were going to switch to no rankings after operating on that system for that class for 3 years! (We won :), although the principal is not a big fan of mine, particularly as I am a woman!) </p>
<p>In any case, GPA is kind of a subjective thing and I think they know that...</p>
<p>At my school 100% goes to a 4 year college
^ thats impressive...... we have like 99.9%... because some kid decided to go to a culinary school about 6 years ago....... that kid now owns like 3 coffee/bruch shops now... so</p>
<p>Ok, I agree with dd, this is a nice way to get that one last chances post out there!!! So, first, my thoughts on some~</p>
<p>dd~yours looks great, good stats, EC's and coming from a good school, and I am hopeful that the legacy thing is helpful too.</p>
<p>KR~I feel positive with yours too, you have a great rank and stats. I think you are in.</p>
<p>Okay~here are my daughter's stats. Please let me know what you all think~</p>
<p>High school: large public school, Chicago suburbs
ACT: 34
GPA: 4.33 (weighted)
Rank: not sure, but somewhere in the top 5-6% area
AP's: Will have 7 by the end of the year. all honors everywhere else.
Recs: I have read 1 of them and it was good, a little "science-y", but very good.
EC's: A lot of Music, Choir, and Irish Dance (National and World level stuff).
Essays: I thought they were wonderful. Talked about overcoming a hardship and not letting it define you.
Hook: Legacy (father went there , grandfather as well)</p>
<p>Irish Cali, your daughter is SO in... I hear the class of '84 was ND's best :)!</p>
<p>Seriously, the ACT alone is enough to tip the balance, but your d has a great GPA, rank, EC's and the rest, too... Anything done at the national and world level designates a TON of commitment...</p>
<p>My d is way into the music and choir thing, too, although not so much the dance. Maybe they'll meet?</p>
<p>By the way, can you PM me with your '84 husband's identity? I'll do the same.</p>
<p>Oh year, Irishcali, the legacy thing is a big, big deal. My son is a soph now, had the same ACT as your d, comparable rank, a little lower GPA, and got in EA with lots of breathing room...</p>
<p>This is the second time we've sent in an EA app and gotten the letter back from admissions stating that ND ideally wants to have 25% of each class be legacies. My son's year it ended up to be 22%, last year it ended up to be 22%. I get the impression that they won't take underqualified candidates just because of legacy, and they don't get quite enough in the range they want to hit the 25% mark...</p>
<p>Only thing that sucks then is to have some obnoxious teacher or student imply the ONLY reason your son or daughter got in was because of legacy. I think yours would regardless. I think my son would have, regardless. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, it ain't a bad arrow to have in the quiver...</p>
<p>Oh year, Irishcali, the legacy thing is a big, big deal. My son is a soph now, had the same ACT as your d, comparable rank, a little lower GPA, and got in EA with lots of breathing room...</p>
<p>dont get me started with special treatment for legacies.... I believe you know my stance on it......</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 1460/2250
[</em>] SAT IIs: none
[<em>] ACT: 34 (36 E, 35 R, 34 S, 31 M)
[</em>] GPA: 4.0/4.0
[<em>] Rank: 2/378
[</em>] Other stats: Nat'l Merit Semifinalist
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: About how I developed my passion for sportswriting - I liked it; also wrote my extra thing about why ND + me = perfect, incorporating my grandfather (who went there) and my great-grandfather (who taught there)
[</em>] Teacher Recs: I didn't read it, but the teacher I asked constantly tells people that I'm the brightest female student she's had in years.
[<em>] Counselor Rec: Again, didn't read, but my counselor really likes me.
[</em>] Hook (if any): Started my own club last year, 4-year varsity letterman
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Ohio
[</em>] School Type: Public
[<em>] Ethnicity: Caucasian
[</em>] Gender: Female
[<em>] major strength/weakness: strength: academics, essay; weakness: only so/so on volunteerism
[</em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered:
[li] going to attend? absolutely[/li][/ul]Other Factors:
I've taken every AP class my high school has, I won five awards in newspaper last year (I'm one of the editors this year)</p>
<p><em>shudder</em> What do you guys think? I'm so nervous! Good luck to everyone, I hope that you all get in and we can hang out together next year :-)</p>
<p>I think we've been through this debate before, chillin. A lot of the character of the university and the kind of special atmosphere that exists there is due to the family traditions fostered by a legacy policy. Sure, my kids get some benefit, but quite frankly, I feel pretty sure my son would have gotten in EA regardless. I got in as a first-timer with no legacy status--as it the case, judging by the figures, with 78% of students who are admitted. My guess is that the lion's share of the 22% legacies who get in would have gotten in regardless.</p>
<p>It's not like ND is taking 26 ACT's with a 3.0 GPA (unless they can play some voracious gridiron defense, in which case I say ND needs to take them NOW! :)) in the legacy pool. You show up to the table with a 34 or a 1500, a high GPA, good recs and extracurriculars, you are getting in to that university, regardless of where your parents went to school. It's the 30's and the 1300's who are on the margins. In case of a tie in that pool, legacy gets the edge. </p>
<p>If it were all about money and stature, chillin, I'd be inclined to agree with you--perhaps because I have neither. But this is a place that keeps strong relations with every one of its alumni (at least, those responsive to them), regardless of their financial status.</p>
<p>While I can understand that those who don't have that edge might resent it, the fact is the university's legacy policy is a key ingredient to make ND what it is. Thus, even if it may appear to work against you during the admissions process, the 78% of students who get in without any blood ties also benefit, as it is enhances the continuity and rich traditions of one of the most unique institutions of higher learning in the world...</p>