<p>admitted, so happy but i still have tests tomorrow uggg
goodluck to those who were deferred</p>
<p>the funniest thing about people suggesting replacing race-based AA with socioeconomic AA is that they don’t think that income level isn’t taken into account.</p>
<p>Here’s the thing, although these top tier institutions are mostly need blind, the adcoms can easily tell of a person’s income level through the counselor’s school report, mainly through the location and composition of those who attend a school.</p>
<p>Those who advocate socioeconomic AA don’t even realize that it is taken into account, hence why that is a factor that plays a part in being accepted into a top-tier college/university.</p>
<p>In other words, those who support socioeconomic AA in order to replace race-based AA draw on a moot point because it is already in effect.</p>
<p>I would love for AA to be gone, the stigma that it carries for minorities who make it into the school is unfairly cast towards them. </p>
<p>I don’t think people realize that grades, scores, and EC can’t just get you in anymore. </p>
<p>You have to be a fit for the school. If you are not, you won’t ever be accepted.</p>
<p>"I definitely don’t think lower income people should be judged according to lower standards. I think doing well academically in a low income family is an achievement just like winning USAMO is (doing both would be awe-inspiring — tell me that I’m wrong).</p>
<p>It’s not holding people to different standards, but more deliberately including economic situation as a variable of that standard."</p>
<p>I can agree with that, but of course, there has to be some distinction between dire poverty and lower middle class. And obviously I’m willing to make economic situation a more influential variable in the cases of people who are something like within 150% of the poverty line, and furthermore that percentage is adjustable based on a variety of other factors, one being geographic location.</p>
<p>Accepted! Will post in the results thread soon.</p>
<p>"Never, ever said the words,“African American,” before the post preceding my previous post.</p>
<p>Never, ever assumed that they “all” get in because of affirmative action, and a casual observer would say that that person generalized and marginalized Asian Americans MUCH MORE than ANYBODY here has generalized or marginalized other minorities."</p>
<p>You mentioned that “most” URM kids somehow think they don’t have to work as hard as whites and Asians. That’s generalizing pretty harsh, no? And African Americans are included amongst URMs if you didn’t know. And you even bashed H for “lowering its standards.” Yeah.</p>
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<p>Egh. Now you’re basically suggesting that coming from a poor family means having bad parents. It may mean having uninformed, socially disconnected, unavailable-due-to-multiple-jobs parents whose best effort for their kids, but come on.</p>
<p>Besides, if parental motivation were the defining cause, then IT would be the single biggest correlate to educational achievement. Perhaps no study’s been done to test it, but I seriously doubt that it’s the case.</p>
<p>Let’s say you’re right, and that socioeconomic status is not the biggest determing factor of educational achievement, but parental motivation, which, in itself, is highly correlated with socioeconomic status (and may in fact be the biggest determining factor of education…). </p>
<p>Since parental motivation is so much harder to assess than economic status — okay, so maybe that’s hard, too — don’t we still have a good case for socioeconomic AA? Or should we find some fun way to assess parental motivation so we can be sure that reward is given where reward is due?</p>
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<p>Your amusement comes through misperception. My argument is that it should be a bigger deal.</p>
<p>@lilmelonred Are you kidding me? I’m an asian female with tons of state ecs, national rec., and a leader in over 7 clubs at my school. I don’t strive hard because I’m poor-- I strive because I want to succeed. Don’t let your ignorance control you so
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<p>Universities are all trying to create a microcosm of the world, with relatively similar proportions of the demographic. They have spots to fill! They can’t well have a school filled with just white, black, or asian students–no matter how qualified. From the applicant pool, they pick the ones that they believe will thrive at their college, and the ones that make themselves stand out from their respective demographic group. Just because you got deferred or rejected, that doesn’t make you any less qualified than the person who got in. You are ALL going to matriculate to incredible schools and, should you so choose, will do amazing things with your lives. For some people on this thread, this is a really happy day for them, so let them have that joy! Wouldn’t you want people to be happy for you? They have worked hard, as you have, but we can’t all go to Harvard. Let’s all be friends guysss</p>
<p>@Philo</p>
<p>How big of a deal should it be then?</p>
<p>I’m not saying that socioeconomic AA should be diminished, but how should it be considered more heavily in the context of an applicant?</p>
<p>@swemma</p>
<p>You’re a Yale SCEA’er. We can’t be friends.</p>
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<p>True. But let’s be honest. If you were deferred or rejected, that means you weren’t “interesting” enough. </p>
<p>I was not “interesting” enough. Nothing to do but move on.</p>
<p>Used access code got a few months ago, could not access the portal, why?</p>
<p>“User name or access code is incorrect”</p>
<p>“Egh. Now you’re basically suggesting that coming from a poor family means having bad parents.”</p>
<p>Not at all</p>
<p>“Perhaps no study’s been done to test it.”</p>
<p>Bulls-eye</p>
<p>“which, in itself, is highly correlated with socioeconomic status”</p>
<p>Read the post, I acknowledged that.</p>
<p>“don’t we still have a good case for socioeconomic AA?”</p>
<p>Yes, we do.</p>
<p>Well, guess I can’t judge anyone here. When I’m rejected, I’ll feel just a horrid. LOL</p>
<p>Ignorance is bliss</p>
<p>To all the black people, don’t forget to post here: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/african-american-students/1413310-official-class-2017-results-thread.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/african-american-students/1413310-official-class-2017-results-thread.html</a></p>
<p>@starktony826: “You’re a Yale SCEA’er. We can’t be friends.”</p>
<h2>So is Philo</h2>
<p>@Runnerxc: If you were rejected, it may mean you were not interesting enough. However, if you were deferred, it means you ARE interesting, but we want to compare you with a broader pool of applicants before making our assessment!</p>
<p>Guys, this conversation is totalyy disheartening. If you want, take it to a seperate thread!</p>
<p>@maa1957 thank you. I have never seen my father cry, except after he read that acceptance letter with me. I did truly want it badly, thank you.</p>
<p>To those deferred, I hope you all make another institution great. To all those accepted, let’s try to be humble and thankful for even getting accepted (there’s a level of luck involved, and God too- if you’re religious).</p>
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<p>Now, why the hell would you say this? Just because many Asians have excellent grades, awards, ecs, etc., all of a sudden, Asians aren’t diverse? Or they are less diverse than other races, say African Americans? Are you saying that African American candidates have more diversity than Asians because they typically don’t have high-achieving scores or what? Even on this site, you can see hundreds of over-achieving Asians that play sports, do an instrument, founded organizations, are part of many different clubs, and maintain great grades on top of all that. What does “diversity” got to do with any of this? </p>
<p>And your second argument about how Asians get outstanding grades because they are poor and want to attend top schools is incredibly racist and just plain stupid. You’re saying that poor students who want to attend top colleges can never become future leaders? So other poor candidates with low scores (WHO ARE NOT ASIAN) have a better chance of becoming future leaders and that’s why colleges favor them right? I guess I should go dig myself a hole and cry in it because I come from a low-income family, and I was heavily motivated to get good grades so I can enter a good college and SUCCEED, but now you just implied that I have no chance of becoming a future leader. </p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>On a brighter note, congratulations to everyone who got accepted! My cousin also got in today, and she was screaming with happiness on the phone haha (:</p>