I was referring to truly Non binding vs semi/pseudo Non binding, if I may call that :))
Has a facebook group for the RPI/AMC program already been made?
@rk2017 , @GoldenRock , @NoviceDad - thank you all for valuable input and guidance. Weâll double check the requirements about opting out. Weâre trying to figure out if there is another student from local area who may have opted out from the UIC GPPA. One last question - I ignored to mention that she also has 3 full rides but just for undergrad programs. Should we even consider one of those even if itâs not a BS/MD program?
Regarding the full rides without BS/MD option, it depends on at least two things, how comfortable are you in letting âthe bird in handâ go and second, where these full rides are. As people have pointed out some of these places are âelephants grave yardâ (from Lion King?)
I get the same feeling too about UIC apply out , but the policies keep changing. As an example, I thought, they used to allow students to finish even in less than 7 years till few years ago, but now stopped it. So always better to get direct answer from them instead of assuming.
Forgot to mention, Good example you have given about the apply out option and good luck to your DD!
Hi - I am new to this thread. My son has following offers:
- BU SMED ($20K scholarship for undergraduate)
- OU Medical Humanities Scholars Program (National Merit 5 years of college tuition free)
- FAU BS MD (National Merit 5 years of college tuition free)
- Augusta/Medical College of GA BS MD (Free undergraduate due to GA resident)
- Mercer in Macon/GA BS MD (Free undergraduate due to presidential scholarship)
We are debating between BU AND OU BS MD. Although, OU is 8 year program (4+4), due to all the APâs credit he will be able to do undergrad in 3 years.
Here are some of the factors we are looking for:
- Med school requirements (GPA and MCAT)
- Chances of getting residency in a surgical field
- College Campus life (OU is more of a traditional college campus), also dorms
- OU has option to apply out, whereas BU does not
- Cost - it is a factor, but bottom of pile
Based on above, any comments/thoughts from anyone?
@gabsmd See my posts related to OU specific details in this thread. You can check my handle and see replies OR search my handle anme in this thread using the search option.
Since GA programs are local, I am not familiar with them. So not sure if they are better than BU. FAU will not consider given the choices you have since that has interview later. Though OU may cost little less (if you do 3 years option), and OU students also will be able to rotate and get surgical residency, I think BU is a better option, though it may be harder compared to OU and binding. If he wants to balance out life OU may be relatively lighter than BU. GL.
@2beDoc
If you try to op out and try in traditional path
THIS IS NICE GIFT FROM SOMEONE ELSE but i saved it for it was so cool
For those contemplating on the traditional route to medical school- here is a table ( I created manually last year for my DD ) with avg old MCAT and avg UG GPA, LizzyM score = LizzyM score is defined as (GPA*10)+MCAT and may contain a +1 or -1 modifier in certain situations, and new Equivalent MCAT(approximation)
Disclaimer: Please verify data yourself for accuracy. There is no guarantee of any kind with this info. This is for entertainment purposes only.
School Name Avg Old MCAT Avg UG GPA LizzyM Score New MCAT
Washington University - STL, MO 37.4 3.8 75.8 520
Vanderbilt University 36.7 3.9 75.4 519
University of Pennslyvania-SOM 37 3.8 75.4 519
Northwestern University 36 3.9 74.7 518
Yale University 36.6 3.8 74.7 519
Univ of Pittsburgh 36 3.9 74.5 518
Columbia Medical School 36 3.8 74.2 518
Harvard Medical School 36 3.8 74 518
John Hopkins 35.3 3.9 74 517
Univ of Chicago 36 3.8 74 518
Case Western Reserve University 34.6 3.9 73.6 516
Baylor College of Medicine 35 3.8 73.4 516
SUNY-Downstate MC, Brooklyn,NY 35 3.8 73.4 516
NYU School of Medicine 35 3.8 72.9 516
UCLA SOM 35 3.8 72.8 516
Stanford University SOM 35 3.8 72.7 516
University of Michigan 34.8 3.8 72.7 516
Weil Cornell Medical School 34.8 3.8 72.6 516
University of Virgina SOM 33.5 3.9 72.5 515
UT-SW Medical Center School 33.9 3.9 72.4 515
Duke University SOM 35 3.7 72.3 516
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai 35 3.7 72 516
USC SOM 35 3.7 72 516
Darthmouth SOM 34 3.8 72 515
Albany Medical College 36 3.6 72 518
University of Colorado, Denver 34 3.8 72 515
University of Vermont-COM 34.4 3.8 72 515
UC-SF SOM 34 3.8 71.7 515
UCSD SOM, LaJolla 34.1 3.7 71.5 515
University of Miami SOM 33.5 3.8 71.1 515
St Louis University SOM 32.7 3.8 71.1 513
Emory University SOM 34 3.7 71 515
Ohio State University-COM 34 3.7 71 515
University of Rochester SOM 33 3.8 70.8 514
Mayo Medical School, Rochester 33 3.8 70.8 514
University of Cincinnati SOM 33 3.7 70.4 514
UC- Irvine SOM 33 3.7 70.1 514
University of Iowa - COM 32.3 3.8 69.9 512
University of Florida SOM 32.2 3.7 69.8 512
UNC-Chapel Hill SOM 31.9 3.8 69.8 512
University of Wisconsin - SOM 32 3.8 69.8 512
Brown University SOM 32.7 3.7 69.7 513
Tufts University SOM 32.8 3.7 69.5 513
UCF SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
SUNY-Buffalo SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
Florida Atlantic University SOM 32.4 3.7 69.4 513
University of Minnesota-SOM 32 3.7 69.2 512
UT-Houston Medical School 31.4 3.8 69.1 511
UT-HC San Antonio SOM 31.8 3.7 69.1 512
University of Maryland, SOM 31.7 3.7 69.1 512
USF SOM 31 3.8 69 510
Wayne State SOM 31.5 3.7 68.9 511
Rutgers-NJMS 32.5 3.6 68.8 513
Temple University - LKSOM 32 3.7 68.8 512
University of Kentucky - SOM 31.9 3.7 68.8 512
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta,GA 31.3 3.7 68.6 511
Tulane University - SOM 33.2 3.5 68.5 514
Medical University of South Carolina - COM 31.5 3.7 68.5 511
Indiana University -SOM 31 3.7 68.4 510
University of Hawaii - SOM 31 3.7 68.1 510
Rutgers-Robertwood Johnson Medical School 31.5 3.6 67.9 511
Oregon Health & Science University - SOM 31.2 3.6 67.6 511
Georgetown University - SOM 31.5 3.6 67.5 511
University Of Oklahoma - SOM 30 3.7 67.4 508
University Of Alabama, Birmingham- SOM 30 3.7 67.2 508
University of Illinois - COM, Chicago 31 3.6 67 510
George Washington University -SOM 30 3.7 66.8 508
Texas A & M University- COM 30.1 3.7 66.7 508
SUNY-Upstate COM, Syracuse, NY 30 3.6 66.4 508
Northeast Ohio University-COM 29 3.7 66.3 506
VCU- MC SOM 30.2 3.6 66.2 508
University of South Alabama COM, Mobile,AL 30 3.6 66 508
University of Missoui-KC 28 3.7 65.2 504
Chicago Medical School Rosaland Franklin 30 3.5 65 508
University of Washington - SOM, Seattle, WA 28 3.5 63 504
Boston University, Boston, MA No data found
Drexel University, Philly, PA No data found
Anyone on this thread aware if there is a FB page for U PITT GAP for the high school class of 2018? If notâŠmy student will start oneâŠthanks.
Between OU and BU I think it essentially boils down to point 4. Does your son intend to take another shot at applying out after 2 or 3 years? If so OU. BU has a great world wide name but is a tough grading school (even for the SMED students) and he canât apply out if he wants without losing the seat.
@gabsmd If cost is not a critical factor, I think BU is the pick here. Sure the flexibility to apply out at OU is nice, but BU is a solid enough med school as it is that one shouldnât feel the need to apply out.
@bearchichi
Good data to start, but the latest and most updated information regarding each medical program can be found at MSAR. One can subscribe to that official data bank to ascertain pertinent information even for Drexel and BU programs.
Direct BS MD Programs by Todd Johnson (combined programs)
MSAR data bank (traditional programs)
Good luck everyone.
Is there already a facebook page for the Drexel BSMD program?
@gabsmd , IMO BU is the right choice. We visited BU campus last summer and talked to their premed adviser and students. They have a solid program, resources and BU school of medicine has strong reputation and rank. BU SMED was our first choice but we did not get it. BestâŠ
Thank you @upstream and @bearchichi. For those who are not sure about where to find MSAR (Medical School Admission Requirements), here is a link: https://apps.aamc.org/msar-ui/#/landing GL
I am fairly new to this thread. I wanted to know more about the Washington & Jefferson BA/MD program with Temple. Please share your thoughts
For those contemplating on the traditional route to medical school- here is a table ( I created manually last year for my DD ) with avg old MCAT and avg UG GPA, LizzyM score = LizzyM score is defined as (GPA*10)+MCAT and may contain a +1 or -1 modifier in certain situations, and new Equivalent MCAT(approximation)
Disclaimer: Please verify data yourself for accuracy. There is no guarantee of any kind with this info. This is for entertainment purposes only. Updated for BU.
School Name Avg Old MCAT Avg UG GPA LizzyM Score New MCAT
Washington University - STL, MO 37.4 3.8 75.8 520
Vanderbilt University 36.7 3.9 75.4 519
University of Pennslyvania-SOM 37 3.8 75.4 519
Northwestern University 36 3.9 74.7 518
Yale University 36.6 3.8 74.7 519
Univ of Pittsburgh 36 3.9 74.5 518
Columbia Medical School 36 3.8 74.2 518
Harvard Medical School 36 3.8 74 518
John Hopkins 35.3 3.9 74 517
Univ of Chicago 36 3.8 74 518
Case Western Reserve University 34.6 3.9 73.6 516
Baylor College of Medicine 35 3.8 73.4 516
SUNY-Downstate MC, Brooklyn,NY 35 3.8 73.4 516
NYU School of Medicine 35 3.8 72.9 516
UCLA SOM 35 3.8 72.8 516
Stanford University SOM 35 3.8 72.7 516
University of Michigan 34.8 3.8 72.7 516
Weil Cornell Medical School 34.8 3.8 72.6 516
University of Virgina SOM 33.5 3.9 72.5 515
UT-SW Medical Center School 33.9 3.9 72.4 515
Duke University SOM 35 3.7 72.3 516
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai 35 3.7 72 516
USC SOM 35 3.7 72 516
Darthmouth SOM 34 3.8 72 515
Albany Medical College 36 3.6 72 518
University of Colorado, Denver 34 3.8 72 515
University of Vermont-COM 34.4 3.8 72 515
UC-SF SOM 34 3.8 71.7 515
UCSD SOM, LaJolla 34.1 3.7 71.5 515
University of Miami SOM 33.5 3.8 71.1 515
St Louis University SOM 32.7 3.8 71.1 513
Emory University SOM 34 3.7 71 515
Ohio State University-COM 34 3.7 71 515
University of Rochester SOM 33 3.8 70.8 514
Mayo Medical School, Rochester 33 3.8 70.8 514
University of Cincinnati SOM 33 3.7 70.4 514
UC- Irvine SOM 33 3.7 70.1 514
University of Iowa - COM 32.3 3.8 69.9 512
University of Florida SOM 32.2 3.7 69.8 512
UNC-Chapel Hill SOM 31.9 3.8 69.8 512
University of Wisconsin - SOM 32 3.8 69.8 512
Brown University SOM 32.7 3.7 69.7 513
Tufts University SOM 32.8 3.7 69.5 513
UCF SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
SUNY-Buffalo SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
Florida Atlantic University SOM 32.4 3.7 69.4 513
University of Minnesota-SOM 32 3.7 69.2 512
UT-Houston Medical School 31.4 3.8 69.1 511
UT-HC San Antonio SOM 31.8 3.7 69.1 512
University of Maryland, SOM 31.7 3.7 69.1 512
USF SOM 31 3.8 69 510
Wayne State SOM 31.5 3.7 68.9 511
Rutgers-NJMS 32.5 3.6 68.8 513
Temple University - LKSOM 32 3.7 68.8 512
University of Kentucky - SOM 31.9 3.7 68.8 512
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta,GA 31.3 3.7 68.6 511
Tulane University - SOM 33.2 3.5 68.5 514
Medical University of South Carolina - COM 31.5 3.7 68.5 511
Indiana University -SOM 31 3.7 68.4 510
University of Hawaii - SOM 31 3.7 68.1 510
Rutgers-Robertwood Johnson Medical School 31.5 3.6 67.9 511
Oregon Health & Science University - SOM 31.2 3.6 67.6 511
Georgetown University - SOM 31.5 3.6 67.5 511
University Of Oklahoma - SOM 30 3.7 67.4 508
University Of Alabama, Birmingham- SOM 30 3.7 67.2 508
University of Illinois - COM, Chicago 31 3.6 67 510
George Washington University -SOM 30 3.7 66.8 508
Texas A & M University- COM 30.1 3.7 66.7 508
SUNY-Upstate COM, Syracuse, NY 30 3.6 66.4 508
Northeast Ohio University-COM 29 3.7 66.3 506
VCU- MC SOM 30.2 3.6 66.2 508
University of South Alabama COM, Mobile,AL 30 3.6 66 508
University of Missoui-KC 28 3.7 65.2 504
Chicago Medical School Rosaland Franklin 30 3.5 65 508
University of Washington - SOM, Seattle, WA 28 3.5 63 504
Boston University, Boston, MA 34.8 3.7 71.8 516
@gabsmd My 2cents, go with OU( free tuition for 5 years). Invest the money you will spend on BU and use it for Medical College. At the medical school level, it all depends on how well you perform in USLME1/2/3 exams. We have a physician in the family. Most posters here are just speculating about Medical Schools.