<p>Ok thanks @Much2learn !! I am studying hard for the SAT in Oct and hopefully I can be able to raise my score</p>
<p>@Poeme thanks! Those are some points that I didn’t consider. </p>
<p>Do NETS students take classes from Wharton/get a Wharton/Engineering dual degree? </p>
<p>Also, anybody else scared about all those 4.0s UW with high test scores and solid ECs rejected last year? </p>
<p>Also, is it Penn or UPenn? What do actual students call it now? I’ve heard alums say it both ways. </p>
<p>Hey everyone :)! I am debating between applying ED here or Northwestern as both schools really fit what I would like to do. </p>
<p>@ankwen I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT CHANCE AT UPENN CHANCE ME BACK</p>
<p>@ankwen you are crazy good Harvard Stanford Princeton MIT you will destroy everyone omg </p>
<p>What are your stats @JamalAmmar ?</p>
<p>SAT I: 2210 (750 CR, 750 M, 710 W); I’m retaking it, and my current practice tests show a 2300+.
SAT II: I haven’t taken these yet, but I will take Math 2, US History, and Biology, and should get above 780 on all three (i’m going to take the best between US History and Biology, and send it with Math)
GPA and Courseload (Stanford’s ‘5 core areas’):
10th Grade: Spanish 4 Honors, English 10 Honors, AP Chemistry, Precalculus, Modern World Civilizations
11th Grade: Spanish 5 AP, American Literature Honors, AP Biology, AP Calculus AB, AP US History
UW GPA: 3.8
Weighted GPA: 4.6
Class Rank: I think top 10% to top 3%
ECs and Reccommendations:
Karate: Black Belt, have been doing it since 8th grade. Awards in Karate: Instructor, Squad/Module Leader of the Month 7 times, recent promotion to Instructor (one of the youngest in the program), Student of the Month 10 times
Refereeing: I ref soccer for CYSA, AYSO, and Jr. High Schools. Have been doing it since 9th grade; I do roughly 90 games a year, about 60% paid, 40% community service
Muslim Student Association: Treasurer since the beginning of this year, I have increased the size of our funds tenfold
National Honor Society
California Scholarship Federation
I also do a lot of community service work in Sudan whenever I go there (once every other summer for roughly 2 months); build houses, teach English, sanitation, general ‘good citizenry’.
I will probably get an excellent reccommendation later from my U.S. History teacher (I have the best grade in the class), and at least a good one from my English teacher.
Will probably have good essays, but I’ve heard they’re changing them because of Common Application thing next year.
I will also probably get a glowing rec from my Karate Instructor
URM status: I am a Muslim African American </p>
<p>“Penn requires two (2) letters of recommendation from academic teachers, which allows the Office of Admissions to understand a student’s presence and impact in the classroom and school community. If an applicant would like to submit another letter of recommendation beyond this requirement, we strongly recommend that it is not from another academic teacher. Examples of an appropriate recommender include an athletic coach, an internship or research supervisor, a boss at a part-time job, or a local clergy member. These additional recommendations are only helpful if the recommender knows the student personally and can write specifically about him or her.” From UPenn website <a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/supplement”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/supplement</a></p>
<p>I was wondering if submitting a third rec letter from a coach who has worked with me since 9th grade would be unhelpful or too similar compared to what other coach rec letters say?? Would it be worth it or would the admission counselors be annoyed that they have to read another letter?? if anyone has any feedback, please comment and thanks in advance!!</p>
<p>@NewportHSSenior If they will be rereading the same thing, than yes they will be annoyed. Send that third letter only if you know it will add something to your application</p>
<p>Ok thanks @Remi56783 !! Also does anyone know if Penn likes to see a certain amount of community service hours or as long as you have shown commitant in what you do? Even if you only have around 200 hours while some people have like 1000 hours??</p>
<p>
Quality over quantity.</p>
<p>Hi all! I’m actually new to cc, but love the support and excellent advice I’ve encountered so far! I’m a senior in hs and am applying ED to Upenn’s school of engineering and applied sciences as a chemical engineer major. I don’t know if this is the right place for this, but would really appreciate it if I could get feedback on my chances? Thanks in addition!</p>
<p>ACT (breakdown): 35 Composite (36 S, 35 M, 34 E, 33R, 10W)
SAT II: Math 2: 800, Physics: 780
Unweighted GPA (out of 4): 3.8
Weighted GPA: 4.6
Rank: ---- We only do quadrilles (i’m in top q)
AP/IB: AP Gov (4), AP Macro (5), AP Physics C (5), AP Stats (5), AP English Language & Composition (4),
Senior Year Course Load: AP English Literature & Composition, AP Physics C, AP Chem, AP Psych, AP Calc BC, AP Micro
Number of other ED applicants in your school: I’m probably the only one.
Major Awards: USAMO, Math Team first place in regionals (among top Chicago high schools)
Common Awards: AP Scholar with Distinction, High Honor Roll (all years), National Merit Commended (Just found out i missed the cutoff by two points) 
Subjective:
Extracurriculars: Math Team- Captain, 1st place winner at ICTM regional contest (among top Chicago area schools), state qualifier/competitor, couple perfect papers
-YJA LR- Local Representative for Midwest-Region, Successfully organized 700+ participant convention in D.C.
Science Olympiad- Captain, state qualifier/competitor; I placed 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in my events at the regional competition among top Chicago high schools
Hospital- Volunteer of the Month
Varsity Track- I long-jumped and sprinted at many top-level meets, including our conference meets. Team placed in state competition.
Peer Tutoring/Freshman Mentoring
NHS/Key Club</p>
<p>Job/Work Experience: Internship at Prime UV (engineering firm in Chicago area)
Volunteer/Community Service: Key Club, NHS, volunteer work at Local Hospital, Peer Tutor, Freshman Mentor
Summer Experience: Internship and Job at YMCA
Teacher Recommendation #1: Math Teacher/Math team coach (Should be glowing)
Teacher Recommendation #2: Chemistry Teacher (Should be excellent)
Counselor Rec:He messed up my schedule so much that my repeated visits resulted in a good relationship lol (Should be very good/great)</p>
<p>U.S. State/Territory or Country: Illinois, USA (Chicago area suburb)
School Type: Public High School
Ethnicity: Asian-American
Gender: Female
Income Bracket Range: $400 K+</p>
<p>Sorry if there was any repetition, I ended up copying and pasting from my common app.
Thank you so much for your time!</p>
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<p>Hi! Does anyone know if UPenn wants us to submit counselor recommendtaions?? The common app wasn’t too specific and I was starting to get confused…</p>
<p>They do
<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/freshman-admission/requirements-and-process”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/freshman-admission/requirements-and-process</a></p>
<p>First a question, and then some thoughts on what I know of Penn interviews and ED in particular.</p>
<p>My question: is a band teacher considered an academic if it is a school subject (a period of the day) and they have honors and regular? My interpretation from the quote presented is that he would qualify. (however, he will ask his AP Physics (second year with him now) and AP Calc (1st year as a teacher for him, but 4 years captain of math club run by that teacher).</p>
<p>My thoughts - YMMV, but I have spoken with Dean Furda about several issues and have attended several legacy admissions presentations with my son.</p>
<ul>
<li><p>ED and your chances. I’m sorry if someone thinks that regular applicants have a big edge in ED. It appears that they have some edge compared to RD, but the edge is miniscule compared to the legacies and athletes who get a huge edge to apply ED. The comment is that the ED applicants who are not legacies or athletes often have higher test scores than the RD applicant pool.</p></li>
<li><p>Switching schools after getting into Penn (often CAS -> Wharton or SEAS -> Wharton): You can do it, but do it very intelligently if you do. That is, read this:
<a href=“https://spike.wharton.upenn.edu/ugrprogram/advising/internaltransfer_dualdegree/Internal_Transfer_and_Dual_Degree_Application_Information.pdf”>https://spike.wharton.upenn.edu/ugrprogram/advising/internaltransfer_dualdegree/Internal_Transfer_and_Dual_Degree_Application_Information.pdf</a>
(similar documents are available to transfer to other colleges within Penn) So you need to take one full year in your current college. I was at Penn when they changed this. My friend’s brother applied to and got into SEAS, and did what “everybody” did at the time - immediately started a full Wharton program. By the time I graduated, they had started instituting “no immediate transfer” rules. The rule now depends on availability of spots in Wharton, and it did not way back when.<br>
IMHO, if there is ANY chance you would not want to stay in SEAS or CAS if they refused your application to transfer to Wharton, apply to Wharton and take your chances. It is very competitive to transfer to Wharton from within Penn.</p></li>
<li><p>Legacies: undergrad and grad apply equally at Penn for legacy purposes. Only your parent or grandparent counts - no siblings, aunts, uncles, etc. There has been a little talk about whether an older sibling at or graduated from Penn who is doing or did very well can help.</p></li>
<li><p>Penn interviews - It is kind of disheartening to read about inconsistencies in the alumni interviewing process. I was told to NEVER take any papers from any applicant - no resume, no copy of the application, nothing. If the case occurs where an interviewer asks “so what about this award in 9th grade”, you should not have mentioned it or the interviewer is not complying. The reason is that all applicants should be on the same level, and “supplement papers” of whatever caliber should not be used at all.
I’m also confused how someone ended up with two alumni interviews - I suppose that helps our push to get 100% applicant interviews, maybe we can try for 110%! Unless somehow there is a special program involved, it is not allowed to have two alumni interviews.</p></li>
</ul>
<p>Finally:
- Penn vs. Princeton - Okay, I’m very biased. Let’s try to stick with facts. Princeton is far more theoretical than Penn, comparing notes with my friend who was a MechE at Princeton. Check out this website:
<a href=“Homepage | Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering”>http://www.princeton.edu/mae/</a></p>
<p>then this one:
<a href=“http://www.me.upenn.edu/”>http://www.me.upenn.edu/</a></p>
<p>Who is more hands on? Who values applications over theory? Now decide where you fit (do the same with your intended major of course).</p>
<p>Good luck to all, unless you bump my kid from being admitted :)</p>
<p>(oh, and yeah your dad being on the faculty or even any kind of employee helps a lot to get in - but you still should be around 25th percentile in your stats)</p>
<p>No, it is considered almost impossible. You can, but you really can’t if that makes sense</p>
<p>@WindyCitay , how did you already find out about your National Merit status? I still haven’t heard back about it, but I know I at least earned commended (based on the relatively stable historical number for that distinction). </p>
<p>@mellivine you can check the thread below for your state and the cutoff score.
<a href=“***Class Of 2015 NMSF Qualifying Scores*** - #3046 by celesteroberts - National Merit Scholarships - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/national-merit-scholarships/1580340-class-of-2015-nmsf-qualifying-scores-p204.html</a></p>
<p>For IL, national merit is 215 @mellivine </p>