Ok, What Now?

<p>So I apply as an undergrad and get rejected. I move on, go somewhere else, end up not liking it and apply as a transfer for fall '07. Work my ass off first semester at a good school, get a 3.7 in hard classes just to find out today that I'm rejected again. </p>

<p>30 ACT
3.7 college GPA
3.3 UM HS GPA</p>

<p>decent ECs, blah, blah blah</p>

<p>anyone know why I was rejected?
anyone else think this is a little ridiculous?
anything I can do now?</p>

<p>Any positive input would be appreciated.</p>

<p>If you strongly feel you've been wronged you can appeal against the universities decision.
If you want to know why you were rejected call up the admissions office. </p>

<p>I could say more but that would be negative. </p>

<p>Good Luck with your future college endavours</p>

<p>I think it's the fact that UM only has your first semester grades. My friend is in the same situation as you (though this was the first time she's applied to UM), and she had slightly better stats as well. It's possible that U of M immediately writes off anyone who has only completed one semester of college unless their stats are exceptional or something. Maybe you could try applying for Winter '07 so Umich has two semesters of college grades to base their decision off of.</p>

<p>Maybe you're just not meant to go there. Everyone has a different path they must follow, and yours may not be Michigan.</p>

<p>I only had one semester of stats and I got accepted.</p>

<p>SAT was a 2010 and college gpa was 3.91...only first semester though.</p>

<p>Transfer admissions to U-M is pretty competitive.</p>

<p>hm, mighty Nick, I'm not sure that makes me feel too happy seeing as my SAT is just 10 pts lower than yours and my GPA .02 lower....</p>

<p>when did you apply? where do u go?</p>

<p>you just got rejected as a transfer??? When did you finish your app? That's a long time to wait for a rejection unless you waited until the end of feb to submit your app</p>

<p>Sorry to hear about this. I suppose if you finish this current semester strong you can send them you grades and appeal their decision. Are you instate? Cause that wouldn't make much sense. BTW, did you apply to LSA? Were you deferred then rejected or did they just outright reject you?</p>

<p>I sent my application at the end of January and heard back February 22. I was pretty surprised because last year I didnt hear back until April 15th. I go to Penn State.</p>

<p>What about you?</p>

<p>I got in March sometime I think</p>

<p>ACT: 26
HS UM GPA: 2.75
College GPA: 4.0</p>

<p>I think your case is really weird, but to appeal? I thought appeal cases only worked when they didn't get one of your things, or one of your things was missing/wrong, ect</p>

<p>I submitted it like Feb 20 or so. Yes, I understand transfer admissions is competetive, but seeing as it is NOT rolling (or not supposed to be) I have to idea why I was rejected. No offense to Cvjn, but my stats are better than his with the exception of .2 points in college GPA and I did not get in. I might reaply for next winter, but I don;t want to go to a school mid year very much. I might just look elsewhere seeing as U of M, after rejecting me twice, has failed to provide me with adequate answers when I ask them what I need to change/improve to get in. After experiencing this, I can only imagine what it would be like to be a student at a school that has such bizzare admission practices. I could go on and on about the completely irrational things admissions counselors have told me about the admissions process at U of M. Time to look elsewhere..</p>

<p>If U-M admitted solely on GPA and test scores, then I would share your confusion about how Cvjn got in when you didn't. However, U-M looks more deeply than just those numbers. None of us can know how your candidacy stacked up next to another candidates when everything is taken into account.</p>

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After experiencing this, I can only imagine what it would be like to be a student at a school that has such bizzare admission practices. I could go on and on about the completely irrational things admissions counselors have told me about the admissions process at U of M.

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<p>How so? Most students have no other contact with the admissions office once they formally enroll. How the admissions office does or does not do business has little bearing on the daily life of most students at U-M. Unless you mean you believe the student body is full of people who should not have been admitted, and that this makes the place difficult to bear.</p>

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No offense to Cvjn, but my stats are better than his with the exception of .2 points in college GPA and I did not get in.

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<p>None taken, I'd be VERY surprised if it was just a numbers game. I thought I'd be a reach for UM. </p>

<p>Were your essays good? You said decent ECs? </p>

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None of us can know how your candidacy stacked up next to another candidates when everything is taken into account.

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<p>I do agree with hoedown in that respect.</p>

<p>I sent them a simple one-page letter when I was deferred and within a few weeks I was accepted. I like to think that helped because I know A LOT of students get deferred and they are all similar so I'm sure it's hard to pick from the 27,000 applicant pile once you weed out the definate rejections and definate admits.</p>

<p>You have to make yourself unique to the adcoms especially with a school this size.</p>

<p>You cannot base an opinion of the students of a University based on their admissions process. I myself had a most ridiculous experience with the Illinois admissions office but although I think that department needs change , I still respect the rest of the University along with the students. Admissions are based on so much more than test scores. Michigan clearly mentions that essays are a major factor in their admissions as essays are your way of communication to the admission officer. Perhaps your essay wasn't too great. They would not have rejected you TWICE without good reason. </p>

<p>Letters are common these days , but it would not hurt to send one in.</p>

<p>I know you asked for positive input but now that your rant against Michigan is done , do move on. Its the only positive input I can give unless you are planning on appyling again.</p>

<p>First of all, if you guy's really think that UM evaluates their applicants individually you are kidding yourselves. Haven't you ever heard of the chart that they use for regular admissions??? It basically is set up in rows and columns (at least I KNOW it used to be like this only a couple years ago), and then it evaluates you on certain criteria, e.g., ACT score vs. race. Anybody black with 26+ ACT score is in, Asian with 33+ is in, etc. If you are in the midle ground you get deferred. Not too mention, just about everybody knows that a school as big as Michigan does not look in depth at each applicant.</p>

<p>Also, gomez, when they publish their list of criteria in order of importance for admission, essays is nowhere close to the top. I believe it goes (1) secondary school record (2) class difficulty (3)Accomplishments, then essays is labeled as "considered" much farther down the list. However, a recent Penn graduate helped me work on my essays, and I consider myself a pretty good writer, so I would say that they are at least above average, and certainly not a reason i was rejected.</p>

<p>Also, I am not criticizing the student body. Although I certainly feel it is not as strong as it could be due to their admissions practices, it is certainly very good. (I could publish a novel about UMs sometimes baffling admissions practices, but that would be a huge waste of time. Here are a couple that shocked me:</p>

<p>1) Absolutely NO consideration as to school you are transferring from. Strictly GPA. (Unless transfering from "peer institution," which I was told where the Ivies, and MIT... again,ABSURD)</p>

<p>2) For transfer students, students attending out of state schools are punished. Students attending private, out of state schools are punished further. Even if I am originally from Michigan, and my parents have paid taxes to the state my entire life, it is irrelevant. Also, community college kids are given preference over those at 4 year institutions. (all of this information was given to me by an admissions counselor) So, as you can see, they have it COMPLETELY reversed. The in-state, CC kids have a tremendous advantage over somebody attending a good 4 years OOS institution.</p>

<p>3)Affirmitive Action</p>

<p>You are right gomez, however, about the admissions office, and how it doesn;t have much bearing on the rest of the University. However, if the experience I would have dealing with UM faculty, administration, etc. compared ANYTHING to my experience dealing with the admissions office, there is no way I would want to go to Michigan.</p>

<p>Lastly, let me just say this. I asked an admissions counselor whether or not I should send a letter of recommendation with my app. As well all know, a detailed written letter from a professor that has had you in your class, is one of the BEST criteria for determining the true character and ability of a student. However, she replied, "well, yes you could, I guess." When I pried her more about it, she said, "too be honest, for transfer admissions, we don't even look at them usually...unless you have someone with Michigan connections." Now, if you are not completely appalled by the fact that an admissions counselor openly told me how much politics play a part in UMs admissions process, you clearly are in denial.</p>

<p>Anyways, enough of this nonsense. I have a project due tomorrow, and I have a feeling that most people in this room (and what can I expect, this is UM's board) are not going to be convinced by anything i say here. Clearly, Michigan would not have rejected me twice without good reason, as they seem to have the whole admissions process figured out.</p>

<p>Signing off.</p>

<p>Did you talk to an adcom, or a student on the phones? </p>

<p>The adcoms I talked to, didn't really say "uh I guess" or anything that even hinted at some unsureness of their decision. </p>

<p>The students however, do that all the time. Trust me, while they're supposed to get their information from the same source, it doesn't always work that way.</p>

<p>Thank you for that last paragraph. Too bad you got rejected - Move on and finish that project. </p>

<p>Good Luck.</p>