Old SAT vs. New SAT vs. ACT vs. Crying

Hi guys, I’m going to be a Junior this year and am extremely confused as to what test I should take this year. I know there are many threads about this, and I’m sorry to bother you all about it, but my skill sets are different from others, so please bear with me. (:

Old SAT (will take in November, retake in January):

Pros:

  • Vocabulary based (my strong suit)
  • There are study guides and review books for it.

Cons:

  • Points deducted for wrong answers.
  • The PSAT I’ll be taking this fall will be based off the new SAT, so I’ll essentially be studying for both.

New SAT (will take in March, retake in January):

Pros:

  • No points deducted for wrong answers.
  • It’s the first year to take it, so perhaps colleges will be a bit more lenient on the guinea pigs?
  • The reading section is longer, with more grammar, so that’s an easier way to raise my score.
  • 4 MC options instead of 5.

Cons:

  • More passage based (I did a few of the diagnostics on Khan academy, and I was kind of shocked at how low my scores were, so not my strength so far.)
  • No one actually knows what it’s like??? = little to no reliable study guides or prep classes.
  • The Math Section. (I looked over the sample problems and wanted to cry.)
  • The passages give an edge to those that like to memorize JFK’s speeches in their spare time.

ACT (will take in December, retake in February):

Pros:

  • More straightforward
  • No points deducted for wrong answers.

Cons:

  • Has a science portion (I’m not bad at science, but I need to study that extra hard
  • Math portion is more advanced
  • Never considered taking it, so I feel more unprepared for it than the others.

Not taking any test and becoming an ice-cream seller:

Pros:

  • No stress
  • Ice Cream

Cons:

…?

Honestly, I don’t feel inclined to any of the tests, because while I like the new SAT focusing more on reading comprehension, I’m worried about the long passages that are even in the math section, and while I love the vocab section of the old SAT, the points being deducted for wrong answers would hurt my score, and then the ACT has a science section and advanced math section, but seems less confusing than the choice of the SATs.

I would appreciate any and all suggestions, and thank you so much if you even made it to the end of this. (:

My best advice for you is to just try them all and see which one you do best on. Just take a diagnostic test for each exam, score yourself, determine which one you like best, and stick to it. Each person takes tests differently; some people prefer the SAT while others prefer the ACT. That preference is unique to you and should be up for you to decide.

Personally, I am more of an ACT person because I am math and science driven, but judging from your characteristics, I would suggest you take the new SAT in March because you’re already studying for the PSAT, which is based off the redesign. Studying for two different test formats is really inefficient. If you still do not get a preferred score after the exam, perhaps then you should look into the ACT.

That’s just my input though. In the end, however, choosing the right test is almost completely dependent on your strengths in test taking. Even if you choose the wrong one, you can still choose which scores you want to send to colleges during application season.

Just don’t give up on college and become an ice cream seller… well, I guess from my advice, that decision is up to you as well… (it’s not the smartest choice though). :wink:

Thank you for your help. I think I’ll start taking the diagnostics next week, but thanks for the advice! [If only I could major in ice-cream…]

@SingHar17 ,

Wow, I’m impressed by you on two levels. First, you’ve done an in-depth analysis of the pros and cons of the various options and you’re very informed on the details. That’s so much more of an in-depth analysis than most soon-to-be juniors. Secondly, and importantly, in the midst of this detail and stress, you maintain a sense of humor. Kudos to you!

So, I’m not one of the many test experts that participate in this forum. You can keep that in mind as you weigh advice that you get. I’m a mom to a girl who’s in your same grade level. She’s a strong and motivated student and I heard the SAT was changing, so I took it upon myself to do a lot of research. I’ve read lots of threads on this site and had in-depth in-person conversations with experts on the SAT and ACT. We concluded – for reasons I’ll share – that (a) the best plan for my daughter is to take the current version of the SAT, and (b) she is better off working independently on test prep (with my help) than she would be attending a class or hiring a tutor. So far she’s having tremendous success with this approach.

So here’s my advice. (1) I really recommend staying away from the new SAT. No harm in taking it for the heck of it, to see what happens, in March, but I would NOT count on that as your primary testing plan. I’d emphasize the second bullet of your “cons” and add an important additional “con.” They are going to hold the March scores and not release them until after the June test is scored. You won’t know the results of this experiment until the summer before your senior year. Too risky. Don’t do it.

Ok, so now as between the current SAT and the ACT. I don’t know anywhere near as much about the ACT as I do about the SAT, but in generalities I think it’s about do you prefer to (i) apply simple math rules in creative ways with a bit more time or (ii) doing straight-forward math, including some more complex math, really fast with a lot of time pressure. The best thing you can do is take a full-blown practice test for each and compare your scores. The SAT is more coachable, and more schools will superscore the SAT, so if the scores are close, I’d recommend the SAT. If you score significantly better on the ACT, then I’d recommend you go with that. The benefit of the ACT is that it’s been around for a long time and there will be no rush for you to take it; you will not need to achieve your goal score by January (as is the case for the new SAT). Another major factor is how much time you have. If you have plans and commitments this summer such that you will not be able to study in a meaningful way for the standardized exam, then I would recommend going for the ACT. However, if you can commit 2 hours or more per day to exam prep, I would recommend going for the current SAT.

Some of the pros and cons that you list are things I wouldn’t recommend you sweat over too much. I don’t think the vocabulary factor is huge. The guessing penalty shouldn’t be a major factor either, in my book. There are ways to manage that. The science section of the ACT is not really about knowing science facts.

Now, you said that if you were to take the current SAT, you would take it in November and retake in January. I don’t know why you came up with that approach. Are there financial or logistical reasons why that must be the case? I would recommend taking the test in October and retest if necessary in November, then again in December if necessary and finally in January if necessary. If you take it in November and you’re not satisfied with your score, it would be risky to wait until January, because if that score was also not satisfactory, you’d have to start all over with a totally different test. So I guess I’ll add that as a factor. If there are logistical reasons why you cannot take the test until November and you cannot take it again until January, then I might recommend you thinking twice about the current SAT. The ACT may be the safer choice for you. My daughter took a practice ACT and a practice SAT. Her scores were comparable so we decided to go with the SAT.

A couple of the many factors in favor of the old SAT are: (i) it is very “coachable” – you can make dramatic improvements if you practice smart, and (ii) there are tons of great materials available for free or cheap. An extra – but significant – side benefit is that if you do focus now on studying for and taking the old SAT, you will have the benefit of being DONE by January of next year at the latest, and you will be free to focus more on your grades and any subject tests you want to take.

Ok, so that leads us to consideration of the final option – giving up, crying, and focusing on an ice-cream sales business. I suggest that your listing of the pros of that option is flawed, because it assumes that you can’t have your ice cream if you choose one of the other 2 options. I say go with the old SAT or the ACT and have some ice cream while you study for it!

And by the way, if you end up choosing the current SAT option, I’d be happy to point you toward some great resources both in CC and elsewhere, if that would be helpful.

Good luck – and keep the great attitude!

Oh, and one more thing … about the upcoming PSAT – I wouldn’t sweat that either. It’s really not important for anything other than the possibility of earning a National Merit Scholarship. Unless one of your parents has an affiliation with a company that provides full scholarships to children of employees who are Merit Scholars (or something like that), the amount of the National Merit Scholarship is minimal and could be dwarfed by regular merit scholarships that colleges might be willing to provide based on your actual SAT or ACT scores. My advice to my daughter will be to do her best to prep for the current SAT. When the time for the PSAT comes I may have her do a little bit of practice so she’s familiar with the format, but I wouldn’t want her to stress over it or lose focus due to it.

Now, if you’ve made it to the end of this – extra kudos to you!!

@SoccerMomGenie,

  1. Thank you so much, I really appreciate how much work you put into helping me, and you’re awfully sweet to weigh in on this with so much knowledge.
  2. I did not know they’re holding the March scores! That helps so much in making a decision.
  3. I was thinking if I were to take the SAT in October, it might be a bit early for me to do my best, but I think I’ll start self-studying in July, and try out a class in August or September. I was hoping that by taking the January test, I would be able to study through the winter break. I’ve just heard that colleges don’t smile upon those that retake the SAT multiple times, so I’m trying to limit myself to two retakes.
  4. I’m so grateful you mentioned that I’d be done with the tests in January, because that would give me a significant advantage in studying for AP tests. (:
  5. I think I’m going to do the diagnostic tests today, in fact, but I would be very appreciative if you could direct me to the best SAT resources, because my propensity is for the current SAT so far.
  6. Thank you so much again!

You’re welcome, @SingHar17.

Don’t do both diagnostic tests in one day. You’ll be exhausted and it won’t give you a fair result for the second test. I’d recommend you do each one on similar terms, for example, start each one at 9:00 am after getting a full night’s sleep and having a light and healthy breakfast.

As for SAT resources, you must purchase the College Board Blue Book. (Very inexpensive on Amazon.com).

Read the SAT prep threads here. The best ones are right at the top of the list. Look for advice from Xiggi and Noitaraperp. Check out Prep Scholar – they have lots of great articles and blogs that are available for free. You’re already familiar with Khan Academy – that’s a great resource. There’s also SAT Quantum, which has video explanation of official SAT math questions. Some are available for free and others require you to purchase a subscription. There are lots of great online resources – these are just the ones we’ve been using.

You’ll need some “substantive” resources – places to go to learn and practice substantive rules and techniques regarding math problems, grammar rules, etc. You might want to go to a library and check some out before you decide what you like. Our favorites are:

Math – Barron’s (along with Khan Academy and perhaps SAT Quantum);
Writing (Grammar) – Meltzer’s Grammar (fantastic, clear, thorough);
Critical Reading – Black Book; possibly Meltzer’s Critical Reader;
Essay – Jury is still out. Lots of great free resources are available. We just purchased PWN the Essay and it looks great so far.

The basic study technique is to take timed practice sections from the Blue Book, then do in depth studying to understand each error you make. If there’s an error on an exponent question, for example, you can study exponents in Barron’s (if you prefer to work in a book) or use Khan Academy to study exponents using videos. Khan Academy is great and thorough, but it’s time consuming because you can’t skim a video. Keep track of your errors and watch for patterns. In depth analysis of each error is the biggest key to improvement.

If you have any specific questions as you go, feel free to message me.

You juniors have it rough. As a rising senior, the new SAT won’t be coming out soon enough for it to be an option for me. Almost thought this was a disadvantage for me until I read this thread :stuck_out_tongue:

One thing to take into consideration is that the SAT offers substantially more time than the ACT per question. The ACT also has a science section, for better or for worse.

Will colleges know whether your SAT score was the new or the old? That’ll be confusing when they get a mix submitted. I don’t think college admissions reps will know what to think of scores from the new SAT. They’ll need a few years to see what’s the norm, and will probably be more comfortable seeing scores of tests they’re familiar with. So that’s something to bear in mind as well. But personal fit is more important. Since you’re taking the PSAT, I would wait until after to decide if the new SAT is a good fit for you.

I wouldn’t take all three in my opinion. The tests aren’t cheap ($60+ per test), especially if you want to retake them all. And it’ll be exhausting. It’s smarter to focus all of your energy on one test.

Ice cream sounds like a very good back up plan though:)

If you’re a fast reader (with good recall when you read quickly), and if math and science questions don’t slow you down because you have to think about them a lot ( which would be true if you’re not “a natural” at math & science), then take the ACT. A tightly timed diagnostic ACT may tell you that.

The optimum current SAT student is the person who has good reading exposure (variety of reading) + a high vocabulary level + knows how to recognize categories of math operations when presented with problems randomly. Also the student who isn’t rattled by the back and forth of verbal-math-verbal-math.

The new SAT is the optimal choice for the student weaker in vocabulary, needing more time to read (IOW, the weaker reader), not dependent on calculators for all math operations, but who also has taken AP Language & Composition and/or has had good classroom English teaching which trains in recognizing argumentative & stylist techniques. IOW the stand-alone new SAT (without the “optional” essay) is ideal for weaker readers with diluted English teaching. Without the essay portion, it’s the most “accessible” of all the tests, which was Coleman’s intent in restructuring the test (he said). Someone intent on including the new SAT essay will have to prep for that section specifically, take AP Lang, or count on very good classroom teaching which requires that kind of writing.

@SingHar17 My daughter is in the same boat as a rising junior and has been mulling over the best strategy for testing as well. When making this decision, it’s important to look at each situation and student individually. D is strong in science and math, and based on what I have seen with her older siblings, I suspect that she will do better on the ACT than the current SAT. Consequently, I suggested that she plan to take the ACT in the fall (along with 2 SAT subject tests) and put off the SAT until the new test starts in the spring. I think she’d just as soon become an ice cream seller… :slight_smile:

Agreeing with above poster who suggested you do not touch the new SAT. I thought the March scores would not be released until May, but perhaps CB has announced a further delay until June. Either way, I believe they said they would not have the concordance charts available in May.

Unless you are starting from a very low score, you should not need to study two hours/day this summer.

As advised above, sit and take a full SAT & full ACT under timed, simulated test conditions (quiet room, take appropriate breaks as scheduled, etc). Decide which exam you prefer and perform better at, and then prep for that one.

If you decide to pursue the SAT, my son found the Gruber book helpful for Math.

IIRC, the first three practice exams in the Blue Book are more ‘real’, whereas the next seven provide score ranges, so you may want to reserve the first three for your later studies. CB posts a full-length practice test on their website. You can also purchase their on-line course with access to additional tests. I do not recall the fee, but I think it was quite reasonable (compared to the cost of a course or tutor).

If you start studying on your own this summer, you may not to just hire a tutor for one or two sessions and not waste time & money taking a class. A private tutoring session would allow you to zero in on areas where you need help. Also useful for essay editing as that is difficult to assess on one’s own.

Best of luck!

@dragonfly26 Thank you, and yeah, I realized the ACT’s science section would require more studying than the SAT, and thank you for mentioning the time factor, I didn’t take that into account!

@epiphany I really appreciate the distinction you made between the reading levels required for the SAT versions. I think the old SAT would work better for me, as the no calculator part of the new SAT doesn’t seem like my cup of tea. (:

@GraniteStateMom Ice cream selling doesn’t require any standardized tests, so let me know if she needs a business partner. :wink: But I agree, I think the options for testing this year will actually result in more of the class of 2017 taking the ACT, purely because it’s less confusing than the SAT choices. I wish her good luck!

@CT1417 I think the withholding of scores is the deciding factor for me. I’ve heard a lot about the Blue Book, but I’ll be sure to check out the Gruber book too! I’m getting my prep books tomorrow, so your suggestions were very beneficial. Thank you for the tips, and I think I will stick with a tutor instead of a class. (:

@SingHar17
Glad I could help.