ONE IVY YES, ONE NO, ONE WAIT LISTED, and then the rest...NOW WHAT?

<p>Brown or Rice undergraduate may put you in a good position to be accepted later into a Harvard graduate program. I would compare Brown & Rice as to where their graduates go, & would also compare the undergraduate programs & environments at each. You say you fit in several places, but so did my D, until she went back from April visiting (after acceptances). The final round of visits clinched it for her; she had more time there, because she stayed overnight. The pressure was off because of the acceptances, so she was in a more relaxed & receptive frame of mind. By that time, she was also more mature & defined (versus during the application period).</p>

<p>You should also compare Brown & Rice (& perhaps Vandy) to see where you believe you would have the most individualized opportunity to excel as an undergrad (thus stand out as a graduate applicant to Harvard).</p>

<p>I don't think it's necessary to attend Howard in order to get hired or recruited as a minority applicant. JMO</p>

<p>Congratuations on having so many choices.</p>

<p>seeing that you want to pursue something with business go to NYU if they accept you. You have NYC as your playground and internships would be more accessible. i'm pretty sure when they graduate and companies come to recruit you'll at least end up somewhere good to gain experiance.</p>

<p>OMG DONT GO 2 HOWARD....I HEARD THE CAMPUS CRIME WAS HORRIBLE......LIKE REALLY BAD PPL GETTING ROBBED AND JUMPED is a regular there....just my 2 cents....my friend goes there he's transferring out......</p>

<p>OMG I can't believe someone as smart as you would seriously consider all this ridiculous advice you're getting here -- or even solicit it for that matter. The schools you're considering are all vastly different and every single one of them will provide you with a great education. This is about what YOU want and what's best for YOU. Talk to your family. Your teachers. Friends who know you. Consider most seriously your gut feeling. Then make your decision on that, not even taking into account what a bunch of name-brand-driven strangers on a board like this have to offer.</p>

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<p>One hopes for a lot of things in an undergrad education, one of which is eventual employability. I'd hardly make that my only criterion for choosing a school. Get a great education, and you'll get great jobs if that is your objective.</p>

<p>I'd second the recommendation for visits - do the "accepted student" programs at your top couple of choices if you can. That may help clarify things.</p>

<p>Just wondering, what are your stats?</p>

<p>Boy, do I agree with what Roger_Dooley just wrote. You seem way too concerned with prestige and the Ivy name, and worried about what is going to happen in four years. Brown, Rice and Vanderbilt are three excellent schools -- but they are three very different schools. You need to pick the one that you feel the most comfortable with. If you select Brown just because it's Ivy, and then get there and discover you dislike the liberal, freewheeling nature of its students and philosophically disagree with its open curriculum --you'll end up having four miserable years. Honestly, all three schools have great reputations and will have great firms recruiting at the school, and will look good on a resume or to graduate schools.</p>

<p>I'd go to Brown or Vandy -- both have beautiful campuses and great academics. Visit and see which place feels like home. </p>

<p>Also --Brown is incredibly liberal and Vandy is more conservative in comparison.</p>

<p>Howard is bad.</p>

<p>You WILL NOT get in on the Harvard waitlist. Don't hold your breath for them.. If you didn't get accepted outright, you almost definently wont get in. Besides, Harvard's undergrad program is not THAT good. </p>

<p>Brown is just as good for that sort of thing. Go there. Screw HU</p>

<p>I don't recommend Rice because it is really hard to pull a high gpa at. You should go to Brown. Thats my opinion.</p>

<p>I don't think we're "a bunch of name-brand-driven strangers," but since I don't like such labels, I'll PM you, sbroy.</p>

<p>(P.S. My advice was not based on "brand," just to make that public.)</p>

<p>Harvard waitlists what, 2000 kids? For what, 5 slots?</p>

<p>I can't find the data, but an overwhelming proportion ?95%? of Brown students get into one of their top 3 picks for business school.</p>

<p>Not getting into Harvard (but getting into Brown) as an undergrad is the best "failure" of your life. A better class of kids at Brown.</p>

<p>What kind of financial/merit packages have you been offered at each school? That, too, needs to be a consideration....you do not want to be 100K in debt, regardless of the school that you will graduate from in four years.</p>

<p>Just to answer the question about stats for end3590, my stats are not that great: 2000 comp. for SAT I (700cr, 580m, 720wr,); reasonably well (700s) on my SAT IIs (Bio-E and Math II); stellar performance on my ACT (in the low 30s for everything); 13 AP classes (no AP tests); valedictorian (class of 487); and national achievement scholarship recipient. I'm student gov. vp, a dancer, i play 2 varsity state champ. winning sports, nhs officer, i'm a boys and girls club volunteer, and i have an afterschool job. I am fully aware that my schools are most def. on the low end of the app. pool, but i have a somewhat unique "hook". I come from an extremely poor school/school system, 80 percent of the students i go to school with won't even attend college, and i'll be the first person in my family to grad. high school due to pregnancy (which led to my creation) and drug addiction. The long and short of it- I have not had an easy life, but it never stopped me and this fact makes my achievements shine a little more brightly than those of the rest of my fellow comfy middle class applicants.</p>

<p>that looks pretty good.</p>

<p>scratch that... scores instead of schools on line 6 of my reply. :-)</p>

<p>to the guy who knows oh so much about Harvard and Brown's undergrad, might I ask where you obtained this information?</p>

<p>sbroy, I know this doesn't answer your question, which I addressed in a PM, but I just want to say based on your post #34, you'll do great at whichever college you end up choosing.</p>

<p>The only misconception I want to mention is that your "fellow middle class applicants" are "comfy" (by comparison, you meant). Probably most, certainly not all. Plenty have been through different kinds of hells -- in most cases probably less Extreme than your situations, but you would be surprised at the number & types of challenges which do not appear on the surfaces of middle class students.</p>

<p>Anyway, again congratulations.</p>

<p>Put the deposit into Brown and then see if you get into Harvard. But the chance is very little, so make sure to put the money on Brown. Truthfully you'll get the same job and into the same b-school from both.</p>

<p>Brown or Rice.</p>

<p>Harvard undergrad is...ummm...okay. Brown and Rice are better.</p>