OOS Full ride Chances

Colleges and Universities A-Z Emory University
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<p>Hi all.
I'm from the DFW area in Texas and am thinking of applying to a few programs/colleges.
I want my expected family contribution to be less than 20,000 since I'm pre-med and medical school is $$$.
I'd like to apply for a full ride here.
Do you guys think it's feasible? Also, if you've gotten a full ride here, PLEASE comment :)</p>

<p>Here are my stats-
Objective:</p>

<p>SAT I (breakdown): 2290 on the 3rd try (M: 800, CR: 760, W:730)
ACT: 34 (M 36: E 35: R 36: S 28) Trying to bring this up to a 35/36 next try and raise the science score.
SAT II: Math II: Not taken yet, Chemistry: Not taken yet, Biology E: 800
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 4.0
Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable): Not ranked</p>

<p>I go to a high school/college credit program, so I'm taking all advanced college courses.</p>

<p>Subjective:</p>

<p>Research of Gene Prediction using Markov Chain Mathematical Modeling-
Testing the Markov Chain Theory on Escherichia coli to write a PERL computer algorithm that accurately predicts the location of subsequent genes within a DNA nucleotide sequence (2013+)</p>

<p>Lumbricus terrestris and its response to Homeopathic Herbs to treat Alzheimer’s Disease
Operantly conditioned Lumbricus terrestris earthworms to model the disintegration of neurons in Alzheimer’s patients in result to beta amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles. Awarded the only US Surgeon General’s Sciences Award and received a congratulatory letter from Senator Samuel D. Jackson (2012-2013)</p>

<p>Founder and President of “EcoRenovation"
Registered business encouraging home owners to pursue green remodeling and sustainable products.</p>

<p>President of Robotics
Received donations from companies such as Raytheon, Texas Instruments, and AALBERT Tech to develop a programmable robot. Won BEST Robotics Competition and Entrepreneurship Award at Texas FIRST Robotics
President of French Association</p>

<p>Led students through French competitions, including the National “Le Grand Concours” (won the only “Texas Certificat d'honneur School” award) and the Texas French Symposium</p>

<p>Awards:
US Surgeon General’s Sciences Award and received a congratulatory letter from Senator Samuel D. Jackson for my Alzheimer's Research
National French Laureate Scholar- 99th percentile, awarded to 142 out of 12087 high school students learning French
Exemplary Plano ISD Musician and Solo Superior Violinist Awards at Texas Orchestra Interscholastic Competition
Regionally placed in Braniacs Regional Math and Science Competition</p>

<p>Job/Work Experience: None</p>

<p>Volunteer/Community service: 500+ hours in Vacation Bible School, Autistic Summer Camp,
I'm a tutor in Biology and Chemistry at the University of North Texas and am about to receive professional certification.</p>

<p>Other</p>

<p>State: TX
School Type: Residential Public
Ethnicity: Asian (Indian)
Gender: Male
Income Bracket: 110K, Adjusted Gross Income is 87000
Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): None :(</p>

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<p>EC’s look good but some other things seem deceptive. Your income bracket isn’t under 20K, so are you going to stretch the truth? Be honest. Payback can be a bear if you aren’t forthcoming with your information. No one can predict if you will get a full ride since monies at the universities have become very precious. The only thing you can do is try, but be honest about it. </p>

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<p>As a private school, instate versus out-of-state is not relevant.</p>

<p>If the merit money is that important to you and your family, also look into Emory’s Oxford College, because admissions and scholarships are impossible to predict. The school is small and you would spend your first two years there before continuing automatically to the College of Arts and Sciences, but merit aid would be much easier to get there (and would follow you to the College of Arts and Sciences). If you apply to both, your application will be forwarded to both schools with no additional fee, but the processes are completely separate, so whether or not you get offered a full-scholarship at Oxford will not affect whether you’re offered one at the College of Arts and Sciences.</p>

<p>You might also consider that Emory’s College of Arts and Sciences and Oxford accept far more transfer credit earned in high school than most other selective schools (32 hours and 24 hours respectively, all full year). This might give you the freedom to take advanced classes, skip intro classes, do research, and/or graduate early that you wouldn’t get elsewhere.</p>

<p>@aunt bea It doesn’t sound to me like he’s trying to stretch the truth. He doesn’t mean that he wants his FASFA EFC to be <$20k, but rather that, after merit aid, he wants the school to expect no more than 20k from him a year.</p>

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<p>@aigiqinf‌ : I think this person has no intention of coming to Emory if they get in anywhere else selective (they are likely using Emory as some sort of safety, but at least they would fit well into the direction the school is trying to go in). However, I guess it is worth a shot at them applying to the Scholars’ program if they want to get in somewhere selective for sure (okay, not really for sure given the seemingly weirdness of last cycle, but more likely than most) AND need some merit aid (which is unlikely no matter what, even if they got into HYP, they may not even be interviewed). </p>

<p>@Hello98: Since I know you’re likely aiming at the more intense places (for math and science it seems, I hope you aren’t pre-med, because you seem as if you have a lot of talent in pure science), have you considered the international science and math olympiad competitions? They could help raise your profile even more. </p>

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<p>@"aunt bea"‌ I’m not trying to stretch the truth. I’m trying to be financially practical when med school is going to cost 50K per year :stuck_out_tongue:
@aigiqinf‌ Thank you so much! I’ve never actually heard of Emory’s Oxford College- is it more prestigious than Emory’s College of the Arts and Sciences?
@bernie12 I am premed, but I want a joint Phd/MD degree and pursue Alzheimer’s research :slight_smile: I’ll try to raise my profile a bit more, but do you think I have a shot?</p>

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<p>@Hello98‌ : That’s kind of disappointing, because now you’ll have to be so careful choosing courses to make sure you make very high grades, whereas if you just going for a PhD in a science and pursued that research through that route (honestly, lots of overlap between math, chemistry, and Alzheimer’s research), you can basically take what you want within reason (as in, you can take more academic risks and afford a lower GPA as long as it is still “good”, at 3.5+. Grad schools will take into account rigor and some top MDPhD admissions may as well, but not as much I don’t think) and develop those scientific thinking skills through the course work as well as research. What you do have going for you is that you are stronger than many students so can probably do well in better and more demanding courses without damaging your GPA, but indeed being pre-med can be limiting from what I see. </p>

<p>As for chances: Sure, of course, but I of course can’t predict anything because there are other students with higher stats., similar caliber ECs, but a very strong interest in Emory. Many of the students who are chosen to interview for Scholars were as strong as you, but actually applied ED or displayed an unusually high interest (as in more likely to yield) in Emory via essays (as in essays revealed that they fit well). Also, less incoming Scholars are pre-meds. There are certainly a bit, but it seems many of the science oriented Scholars I knew were pre-PhD. Of course many were also pre-MD/PhD, but I think their moving toward a more “academic diversity” model because Emory is kind of saturated with pre-healths and it does have an effect that faculty and administrators are well aware of. </p>

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<p>Emory seems to be on an island when it comes to EFC. My daughter got her FA determination and, while every other school to which she applied determined our EFC to be $12K per year (per FAFSA), Emory figured it at $39K…and our Adjusted Gross Income is nowhere near $87K. When I called the FA office, I was told that Emory uses your mortgage as a baseline and works backwards from there to determine EFC. Therefore, the FA report made it look like the assistance offered exceeded our need.</p>

<p>It is because of Emory’s formula that my daughter decided to take her talents to another school.</p>

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<p>Hmm, thanks guys!
@bernie12‌ Thanks so much for the comments. Maybe I’ll look into a sole PhD program, but med school is a total option for me.
@sharkmo I’m not planning to attend Emory unless I get a full ride :)</p>

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<p>Emory doesn’t use the FAFSA, does it?
I’ve often seen this occurrence on the boards and in PMs.
They probably expect you to take a home equity loan. Which makes sense - counting a (close to?) paid off home in your net worth. </p>

<p>Good luck, OP. Your stats are on par with people who receive Scholars. It’ll come down go whether or not you have interesting things to say when you interview (if you are invited for one). </p>

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<p>@aluminum_boat‌ : I am concerned they won’t interview this person. Notice how the last round, most of the people who got into Yale, Harvard, and places like that were ironically not interviewed. However, it’s perhaps because they applied early action or wrote Scholar and admissions essays that were generic, as in, the qualities they describe about Emory can be found at any selective school. Also, again, this person will stick as a sore thumb pre-health student that just happens to be very good. They’ll a) not want to add another pre-health, or b) think they’ll be wasting money because they won’t yield (because usually we don’t get these types of pre-healths). Perhaps they can play up the mathematical modelling element. I imagine the ability to use math like that is marketable and would add something less common to Emory (there are many other pre-healths that come in with ridiculous biomedical research experience. The school has a program that gets students to work at Winship during summers, and Emory yields a lot of these folks for example). This person needs to write compelling essays. I know, ironic that I am now the cynical one when it comes to this sort of thing and it is usually you. </p>

<p>@Hello98 : Nothing wrong with being pre-med, but just know that it’s risky if you actually would like to be challenged at higher than normal levels for a science major (given your background, you should). I have unfortunately seen many instances where some pre-med students who have been to Seimens or Intel have been convinced or have convinced themselves (perhaps rightfully so) that choosing easier courses/lighter courseload and instructors in science (or non) was more convenient (this would start as early as freshman year when they forfeit all science and math AP’s to opt out of taking more advanced courses in a field for the sake of making a comfortable A. Intellectual exploration or risk…not encouraged among these people). However, I will say that many pre-MDPhD students I know behave more like the pre-PhDs when it comes to course selection (several advanced courses in different fields including non-science, less “calculated” choice of courses, usually took legit graduate level courses before and during honors thesis) and they actually were successful gaining admissions to MDPhD programs (many/most on the first try). Something tells me that these programs, especially top ones enjoy selecting students that are well-rounded in a less calculating way, as in, they like taking students where it is clear that the person was not manipulating their course schedule and EC’s for the sole purposes of appeasing the medical school adcoms. They kind of just followed their passions and intellectual interests while demonstrating aptitude in science in multiple ways (including research of course). I would imagine that many students apply and have apps. that suggest that they had no intellectual interests or engagement outside of their lab (and even that can be faked to some degree) and it seems they have a way of using interviews to see right through that sort of thing if they suspect for any reason it is the case with a high stats. applicant (who naturally, they almost automatically interview, especially if the app. is on time). </p>