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i was referring back specifically to her list. BU and Ithaca might have good financial aid, as I said, but if she wants to stick to the list, the publics in California would be more affordable than the conservatories on the list. If she wants to go to a college program or a conservatory/music school program within a college or university, then yes, often privates offer better aid and can end up cheaper than publics.

it really helps to go on the financial aid calculators for any school you are interested in. And if you want to expand your list to privates (other than freestandng conservatories) besides BU or Ithaca, financial aid may very well be very helpful.

@momsings My guess is the parents aren’t comfortable with a city which has a diverse population with some residents of lower income. They may not feel their daughter would be safe. I guess they wouldn’t consider Yale either…or Columbia.

Rochester isn’t exactly Mayberry if it comes to that . . .

I will check out Eastham, thank you to all who recommeded this university. I been told that both Colburn and Eastham don’t have a undergad conducting. Also, my parents are really pushing CSUN. I know they have a undergrad conducting unlike a couple of my choices. How do you see CSUN? @SpiritManager - Yes, you are correct on why my parents aren’t comfortable with that and do fear I may not be safe. @compmom - So with financial aid, private colleges may be cheaper than public? Is this with most private or selected schools only?

It’s Eastman, just to make sure you have the right name. Part of the University of Rochester, which would offer financial aid.

You really have to look at websites and do the financial aid calculators, which at least give a ballpark. The most expensive option is freestanding conservatory, though they do give merit aid (but not usually enough compared to financial aid elsewhere).

The most affordable schools anywhere are Ivies like Harvard and Yale!!! I am not suggesting them but overall you would be surprised at the aid at some schools, but it does vary, and for some schools aid means subsidized loans rather than grants.

Just for instance, here are the pages for CSUN:

http://www.csun.edu/prospectivestudents/cost-attendance
http://www.csun.edu/financialaid

Here is an article about CSUN’s ranking in one paper, for what it’s worth: http://www.csun.edu/mike-curb-arts-media-communication/news/csun-named-among-top-25-music-schools-hollywood-reporter

Here are undergrad and grad programs at CSUN: http://www.csun.edu/mike-curb-arts-media-communication/music/about-degrees-offered I do not see ANY undergrad conducting.

Long Beach is great too.

Here is the financial aid page for Eastman. Do the “net price calculator” on the left side, and look at the cost of attendance etc. http://www.esm.rochester.edu/financialaid/ You can do this for any school.

There is a reason that you cannot find undergrad conducting. For an undergrad degree, you would really want to get the foundation necessary for conducting. The study of music history, theory and aural skills, ethnomusicology, composition and/or an instrument prepares you for the narrower focus later on. You can take an undergrad course in conducting but it would not really be a great idea to try to major in it that early on.

I don’t know what ratings you are going by, but if you are going by the likes of US News and World report, I would tell you those ratings don’t mean much. The schools you list are all very different, they are at different levels of music in some or many ways, it terms of competition to get in and so forth. Colburn is a small conservatory that has the distinction of being close to the LA Phil, and is also desirable (and competitive) because it is a full ride scholarship if you get in there. I don’t know anything about percussion there, can’t speak about the teachers and such, but because it is full ride it is going to be very competitive.

Boston conservatory is generally not as competitive as some of the other conservatories, but like them they may not be very good with aid, from what I know.

Berklee is primarily a modern music/jazz school, and is very expensive, and aid there may not be as good as you need (it will depend on your playing)

Ithaca is more known for its music ed program, it has a decent performance program, is in the less competitive tier of schools overall…I can’t speak about financial aid there.

BU has a pretty big music school, and is fairly competitive. It is a music school within the larger university, so you I believe have to get admitted to both the university and the music school. It is pretty expensive, so aid may be a problem there for you as well.

NEC is one of the more well known conservatories. It is a very competitive admit (though it varies from instrument to instrument), and they are not known necessarily for generous aid, and most of it from what I know is tied to financial need, even the merit awards. Merit awards generally are tied to your playing ability, and in many schools unless you are super talented, they may not come close to being what you need (though FA might). As others have said, most schools don’t offer undergrad conducting degrees (as far as I know), though usually you can take conducting electives.

As has been said on here before, one of the keys is going to be the teacher on your instrument. Like I said before,the rankings don’t mean much you see in college guides and such, the criteria they use is often laughably far from what music training entails (for example, USNWR was using things like class rank of admitted kids, SAT scores, etc, which for a music school have little to do with the quality of the students. I would ask specifically about your chosen instrument (IDK, do you major in Marimba, or is it percussion?), start with your teacher, then maybe people on here might know of good programs for the instrument.

I agree that the studio of your chosen instrument is what is important. My kid chose a program “in the less competitive tier” because the professor of his instrument is exceptional.

Okay, thank you all! I really appreciate it :slight_smile: Also, one more question, I am currently preparing a concerto (Paul Creston’s Marimba Concertino op.21) for CSUN’s youth philharmonic competition. I find myself getting nervous when I preform this piece for my family, and when I do I tend to mess up the piece. Any tips on how to ignore freaking out (getting nervous) while playing?

Oh yes the Creston. Haven’t heard that in quite some time. Probably since my son was your age. Practice in from of people all you can. Give a concert in the living room to your family as practice. Grab your friends, family and even the dog and play in front of them. Make sure the piece is under your hands so you can concentrate on relaxing.

My son is also a percussion performance student at Eastman and is loving everything about his experience there (he’s a freshman).

Though I live in TX now, I’m originally from So. CA and grew up about 20 minutes away from CSULB. It’s near the LA/OC border and is certainly not the worst part of Long Beach, and not any worse than the areas where some of these other schools are located (including ESM) but I understand where your parents are coming from. I had the same reservations about my daughter (not a music major) applying to USC and was secretly thrilled when she ended up at UC Irvine (though it was her second choice school) because I felt it was a much safer location than her first choice.

Thank you all! @bigdjp - Playing for my dogs didn’t do anything actually, but having like a concert for my family in the living room did help. I’m feeling more comfortable with the piece. Thank you! @wcbandmom - My parents (mostly my mom) feels how you did for your daughter. She is not completely comfortable with my choices in Boston because of the distance and location.

Boston schools are in good locations. What do your parents dislike about Boston? Distance I can understand, but not sure what could be objectionable otherwise (other than cost that is). Just want to say again that CSUN does not have undergrad conducting as a major.

Maybe they saw some of the news reports about the snow this winter!

Good point!!

My kids have really enjoyed taking classes in Boston and often took the T, went to concerts/museums, and walked around on their own. As others have pointed out, many conservatories (even those in universities, like Eastman or Peabody) are self-contained, in urban settings which just may not be what your folks are picturing. I wonder if these schools might actually be safer than the more 'traditional" campuses!

It’s the distance and also the Boston bombing that scaries her. Also, I looked into CSUN, and I beleieve they do have a undergrad conducting. I know a few students there who are taking and took conducting there.

It sounds like your mom is going to be afraid no matter where you go. That’s not rational to be afraid of Boston because of the bombing. There could as easily be an attack in a small town college. And a large earthquake in Northridge. This is just something your mother is going to need to learn to live with. You’re growing up and leaving home. And she can’t protect you from everything even if she’d like to.
As for CSU Northridge and conducting - it is a Master’s program only, like most music programs. I don’t doubt they offer one or two undergrad conducting classes, as do most music programs. http://www.csun.edu/mike-curb-arts-media-communication/music/mm-conducting

Okay, thank you! Is there anything I could do to help ease my mom of her worries, though?

Did you look at the website? SpiritManager and I did it for you but you need to be able to look at the websites of schools and get accurate information. I have told you twice there is no undergrad conducting program and posted a bunch of links on CSUN on page 2 of this thread- did you look at them? We are putting time into helping you. I will be frank and say you need to do your part.

I live in Boston. The fear from the bombing is certainly not rational. Is it possible your mother has an anxiety disorder? if so, she might need help as you prepare to go to school, at least if you go away. It would be a shame if misplaced anxieties determine your path.

Yes, earlier today I did look at the websites. For CSUN they have a masters for conducting, and I need to prepare three pieces one in each era (Barque, Romantic, and Classical). I already know French, just the basics though. so I need to start learning German and Italian. Italian won’t be so hard to learn since it is very simliar to Spanish (which I know). To be honest, I wasn’t doing my part till this morning. I apologize for that.

My mother does not have an anxiety disorder, so I don’t think she needs that can of help.