OSU oos vs. UGA in-state

@sursumcorda Gosh this is a touch one. Both are excellent schools but very different. I’m not sure my daughter would go to OSU, she loves the “college town” feel of UGA, weather, smaller school feel, greek life and general social scene at the school. She is challenged academically and satisfied socially that was important to her. She looked at Tulane, UT, Michigan, Illinois, Santa Clara, SMU and Clemson and loved UGA from the start.

With that said, I believe the reverse is true for my son, I don’t think he would like the smaller town feel of UGA. He loves the feel of being in Columbus and all that it offers. Both of them got the scholarships offered at their respective schools (not the full rides) so we do pay out of pocket and UGA is more expensive.

I really think you cannot go wrong with either school. I did worry when my daughter went to UGA that she would only get job offers in Georgia but that is certainly not the case. She has had connections with a variety of firms in the south, midwest and east coast. Good luck with your decision, hope this helps!

@sursumcorda, I can empathize with your dilemma about spending a significant amount of money to visit Ohio State .

I’d recommend that you help your daughter first evaluate whether she’s a big city (or fairly large city) girl or a small college town kinda girl. There is nothing at all urban about Athens, GA. In fact, it doesn’t even have a nearby Interstate. It’s only accessible by small state highways. As I said earlier, I’ve never been to Columbus, but I’m certain that it is much larger and metropolitan than Athens.

It may be that your daughter doesn’t have a strong preference (small college town v. big city). After all, college is only 4 years. One can live anywhere for four years. :slight_smile: On that note, I don’t believe that there is a perfect college for a student. The truth is that there are many good fits, and it’s not the school that makes the student. It’s what the student does at the school she chooses to attend.

@sursumcorda You should be extremely proud of your student for receiving the Foundation Fellowship at UGA and a chance for Eminence at OSU. Both are extremely competitive and both are top notch programs. I know one Foundation student who will graduate this May; he is OOS and has done well at UGA. I also know a Professor at OSU who sits on the Eminence Selection board who told me about some of the Eminence student’s achievements; these students do very well also.

Either situation would work well. However…this situation for me has some ethical considerations. If your student has the Foundation offer in writing, by moving forward on Eminence you may eliminate another student who really wants OSU; perhaps a student with need and only one offer like this.

Otherwise, you are truly fortunate to have a student with so many options.

@Lycurgus10 There is no ethical consideration in pursuing multiple scholarships. The student was chosen for both and deserves to consider all of their earned options. Please!

The kids who win these scholarships usually have multiple excellent offers. Colleges know that.

@itsgettingreal17 Thank you for reading my post. My remarks were intended at a specific question on this thread. I did not ask for your opinion.

However, you seem to have access to a great wealth of information. I see that pursuing multiple scholarships has no ethical consideration for you at an existential level, but how can you be certain this is true for everyone?

What percentage of students who win these scholarships, have multiple excellent offers? Of this cohort, how many offers does each student usually get?

How are you able know that colleges are aware of this? Can you offer me some data to support your claims?

I have been traveling and am at State Science Fair with my kids, so I haven’t been able to respond to this thread yet. I thought both @Lycurgus10 and @itsgettingreal17 were making good points and didn’t see them as contradictory, so I hope my post about making a decision on pursuing the Eminence opportunity won’t cause negative vibes on this site. It was not intended to do so.

For us, there are multiple ethical considerations to this whole process, ranging from the one Lycurgus raised to the one I was implying e.g. these “weekends” for interviews for scholarships themselves cost money, in our case a lot of money equal to our mortgage and all utilities for a month, or over three months of food for a family of four, so we have to decide to spend money we don’t have on a “chance” of a scholarship or give up the chance. I agree with itsgettingreal17 that students clearly have a right to pursue multiple scholarship options ethically- after all, my child has been a finalist for five of these opportunities so far and only has two received (one is our instate school and does not involve displacing other applicants, it is an odd, in-state only opportunity) so with four OOS finalist interviews/weekends, we have only 1 offer and the 4th would be OSU if we decided to go forward.

I also agree with lycurgus10 that if we were to have decided for sure that the UGA would be offered in place of OSU, it could be unethical (in addition to a financial hardship!) to go out and take up everyone’s time trying to get one of the awards. We do know from experience that you can easily end up with nothing after such a weekend (like after the Wells for us) But I wrote the post partly to determine whether we HAVE in fact decided that UGA would be accepted above OSU. Both have the intended majors and good points, which is what this thread originally was discussing. I was trying to find some additional details to be able to make an decision about moving forward or not based on the very question about whether we “need” to interview and try for an additional state-school opportunity at this point.

I do think it is absolutely ethical to pursue multiple options before you have decided which one to take. We cannot visit many colleges before the interview weekends to “vet” them earlier in the process because, as I mentioned, this costs money and the colleges don’t pay for it. In our case it also takes a long time (days each way) so since we cannot consider most of these colleges without significant merit aid, we first visit them if my child makes the final cut. But if we ruled out OSU (which I think we are close to doing) then we would feel bad, even if we could afford the time and money, going and wasting everyone’s time interviewing.

I don’t think there is as much disagreement here as the last few posts might indicate. That having been said, from our experiences so far at the top merit interviews/weekends, the colleges either choose alternates or choose a much larger number with the assumption that many kids won’t take the award. ( In the case of the FF, they must be expecting about 30% to decline given the numbers this year- that is one data point.) I think that is typical, different programs/colleges have different ranges that decline based on their experiences with yield in the past. At every event we have attended, the officials have been clear that the know most of the finalists will have many other merit and other options they might take instead (think Ivies) that is why they work so hard “selling” the school at these merit interview weekends. So I think itsgettingreal17 is reflecting the understanding of the colleges pretty well.

But all that is tangential to our deciding for our family if the expense of going to the weekend is worth the chance that my child will prefer OSU to UGA, should she win the Eminence which is NOT probable given the statistics and our track record so far.) If we know it won’t rank about UGA, it would not be worth it, and perhaps unethical, to proceed. If we are not sure until we actually go and hear the presentations, it would be ethical and perhaps worth it. (Perhaps not!)

Sorry this is long. I just don’t like to see discord on this site which is usually really supportive and helpful.
PS- We have to decide on OSU visit by Friday!

@sursumcorda Good luck to you and your D!

My D just committed to OSU tonight. It was a very easy choice for her. She absolutely loved the OSU campus and the opportunities available. She really never liked UGA - it was just her in-state safety. We are thrilled and love OSU as well.

@sursumcorda I truly understand the ethos of your concerns and I appreciate the honesty of your remarks. My son choose OSU over UGA; for several reasons. His number 1 reason was to leave the Southeast. He is very happy at OSU and I do believe its at better fit for him. But at the FF or ES level, I believe both schools are equal in academics and opportunities. For STEM majors, I believe OSU is more difficult to maintain a high GPA than UGA.

I have a daughter in high school. Like my son, she will probably be a NMF with the other accolades. But she will most likely, not attend OSU.

I believe that the majority of Public Flagship Universities, with Honors programs, offer an education that will get any motivated student to the place they need to be.

I work with Medical Residents who will soon be board certified. Most attended undergraduate programs that are not National Universities. All of them will become fine Physicians. What they all have in common is a high undergraduate GPA and a good work ethic.

I understand the question of money well spent. College costs are simply out of reach for too many students,

Would it be worth the cost of attending the ES weekend? Yes! Would it be worth accepting a FF offer at UGA now? Yes!

Your student will do great in either scenario. Sometimes, the best prayers are those that remain unanswered…

Here! Here! Re: the discussion surrounding the ethical issues with pursuing more than one scholarship opportunity. T I’m a straight shooter: Call and ask the respective programs/scholarships the questions to which you don’t know the answers. I much prefer to get answers straight form the horse’s mouth than to speculate. Get the answers you want and THEN evaluate whether you are presented with an ethical dilemma. If so, then you will be able to decide what is acceptable to your student/family.

Happy deciding, everyone!

^^^ LOL! If I’m going to make a proclamation, it would help if I spelled Hear! Hear! correctly.

Your students are going to love THE Ohio State, my Engineer is graduating in the fall and I’m super sad. It’s been a great ride. But once a Buckeye always a Buckeye!

For those wondering, my child decided not to attend the Eminence weekend to compete for the award. (The deadline to rsvp was today) We have nothing at all against OSU, but reading some posts here and more descriptions online, my child just decided that since there is one public university award at a program child loved, in the end, OSU was too large and too urban, and the stress of making another trip only to probably not be offered the Eminence award anyway, did not seem like a good choice. So we will be crossing OSU of the list. The decision was made easier when my child was awarded a merit scholarship to Vanderbilt two days ago that covers full tuition. Although the remaining costs are still high, I said we would try to figure out a way to make a trip there so that at least child has seen two different options to choose between- one public, one private- that have offered their highest scholarships. I really appreciate all the descriptions and comments in this thread that I have discussed with my child in helping make the difficult decision not to pursue the Eminence Award. Good luck to everyone as this process finally starts coming to an end!

@sursumcorda

You have a very bright child that is going to be very successful wherever he/she chooses! Congrats on the Vandy full tuition scholarship! That is incredible. I’d love to know where you guys finally choose. You have a lot of incredible options.

Best wishes!

@GAcollegemom6,

I’ve been meaning to provide an update. My D has decided to become a Buckeye. Her acceptance fee and housing deposit have been paid! Our visit earlier this month went well and sealed the deal. I’m just happy that she finally made a decision. I think it’ll be a good fit, and we’re (my husband and me) excited for her!