<p>DS was just accepted to the college of engineering, but there is pretty much no way he's going there. His financial aid package included no grants at all, just loans.
Although our EFC is 25K, Berkeley says our parent contribution should be 41K with DS providing the rest in work study and loans.</p>
<p>His stats are very strong (2360 SATs and a 92UW average) but evidently not strong enough for Berkeley to show some financial love.</p>
<p>Oh well, congratulations to all the other admitted students. He's already got a nice package from Rensselaer and a full ride from Stony Brook, with four more schools yet to come, so it looks like he'll be going elsewhere.</p>
<p>I'm just kinda curious if any other OOS people had similar experiences -- are out of staters seen the way to solve the university's fiscal problems?</p>
<p>student stats DO NOT merit financial aid. financial aid is entirely based on family income, etc. the only money that is based on student stats is scholarships. not everyone gets financial aid. my family is well-off enough that we don’t get a penny of financial aid, but taxed enough that my parents can just barely afford college. bummer. suck it up. I try to help out by generating my own pocket money and “subsidizing” my parents costs on food and such through small jobs.</p>
<p>but yes, we cal students love you OOS. you help to keep our university decently funded :)</p>
<p>Quote: The University of California at Berkeley is planning to admit more out-of-state residents this year. Berkeley’s non-resident undergraduate population is quite low (around 10 percent typically, counting both U.S. residents outside California and international students). Robert Birgeneau, the chancellor, told The Contra Costa Times that he hopes that the shift will set off some anger from California residents, saying: “Actually, I hope for some pushback. This is connected to the state’s failure to pay for the University of California.”</p>
<p>Many OOS publics can’t even properly fund their own in-state students, much less OOS students. Many in-state residents would howl if their publics started using any tax-payer funds to help OOS students. </p>
<p>Non resident fees would be meaningless if OOS schools just covered them with grants and aid. </p>
<p>student stats DO NOT merit financial aid. financial aid is entirely based on family income, etc. </p>
<p>That may be true at the UCs and many OOS publics, but some schools do look at stats when divvying up their limited FA…it’s called “preferential packaging.”</p>
<p>Yes, oos is regarded as a way to reduce UC’s budget issues. I’m sorry. I’m a Californian and getting nothing (except minor merit scholarships) from UC. So…we’re in the same boat.</p>
<p>megmno – Such hugely different financial aid packages should make the decision easy for you. Your son has two great choices and it sounds like he might have more. Such happy news!</p>
<p>so am i pretty lucky that I got a $15,000 Berkeley Undergraduate Scholarship?
My EFC is 0, so it makes sense, but I should be pretty grateful then right?</p>
<p>Also does anyone know if a Parent PLUS loan is good or can give feedback about it?</p>
<p>Don’t be expecting any institutional FA; it’s not going to happen. They increased non-res numbers in hopes of generating revenue – period. We all know there are enough highly qualified, diverse, CA residents to fill each and every UC seat. This is all about the $$$…</p>
<p>Federal SEOG Grant 500.00 confirmed
Federal Pell Grant 5,550.00 confirmed
Berkeley Undergraduate Scholarship 14,900.00 confirmed
Federal Academic Competitive Grant - 750.00 confirmed</p>
<p>I’m an out-of-state acceptee, and the finanical aid pacakge that I got was horrible as well. No scholarships or grants. I got absolutely nothing aside from some major loans that my parent refuse to accept. This whole college admissions process is really bumming me out. I’ve gotten into UChicago, NYU, and Berkeley… and I can’t afford any of those schools. I’m still waiting on Hopkins, Princeton, and Yale, but I suspect they won’t bring me much better news. This is simply horrible–to have worked so hard to gain admission into a top school, and then to not be able to afford it. :(</p>
<p>AFAIK, OOS students get as much aid as in-state students at a certain income level, and with an EFC of 25K, it’s too high for any grants. Thing is, they do the calculations for everyone assuming they have in-state fees, and then pad the rest with loans.</p>
<p>Yes, it’s been publicly stated that OOS students are a way to increase revenue. The state is pretty much bankrupt, and even in-state students are facing financial troubles.</p>
<p>As much as I feel for you, this is just an unfortunate situation. Even with an EFC of 0 as an in-state student, I still have to take out over $5000 in loans or work study per year.</p>
<p>I’m OOS from Indiana, and my EFC was about 15k… but UCB is saying that I have to pay about 50k… my total scholarship money was 6k… is there any way to appeal for more aid or something… I really want to go but 50k/year is out of the question</p>
<p>It seems reasonable to me that a public university would not want to pay out financial aid to out of state students, unless they are extremely special in some way. These institutions are financed by the taxpayers of that state, and money given to out-of-staters takes away from that pot of money. So, unfortunately, I can’t blame UCB in this case.</p>
<p>This can happen as well to students who receive an offer from an Ivy, but mediocre financial aid, who then have to evaluate that against lower ranked schools that offer them a full ride or much more aid.</p>
<p>This becomes an important part of the decision - not only all the academic, social and other reasons to prefer one school over another, but also relative cost and even raw feasibility. It can be tough to walk away from a school that you really want because the financial burden is too high, tough choices.</p>
<p>I’m OOS and I got $10000 in grant aid and $5000 is work study, and the rest was offered as loans to me and my parents. Yes it is expensive but assuming you achieve instate status after two years then it’s ($100000 + $60,000) - $60,000 = $100,000. If you parents manage to give you at least $40,000, then that’ll be a $60,000 loan that you have to pay off, but if your major is in EE or Comp Sci, your starting undergrad salary would be around 65-70K, and if you pay at least $1700 a month to your loans, then perhaps you could pay it off in 3-5 years? IF you really love the school then I suppose you’d make that kind of commitment. I’m still waiting on some other top tiers (ivies and J Hops, assuming I get in) to see if their aid is better but if it isn’t then I’ll be going here since I personally feel the loan is an investment into my future. So I suppose it depends on the individual.</p>
<p>Does anyone know how big of an increase there was for OOS freshman admits? I know Berkeley talked about doubling or tripling the numbers, but I am wondering if there’s any stats about it.</p>