<p>My daughter received scholarships from Montclair state, University of Rhodes Island and UMass Amherts that reduced the tuition to instate. She received $41,000 a year from Drew University (I know that’s not a state school) but there is lots of merit aid out there. :)</p>
<p>UNM gives full rides to OOS students with decent stats. It isn’t for everyone, but it might be worth a look for a potential financial safety.</p>
<p>You may already know this, but in addition to the NMF scholarships, UCincinnati gives 10 large Presidential awards a year to students who do not need to be NMF to receive. It is a full ride. The current page describing it gives only the $ amount, which doesn’t look like full ride for OOS. But there are PDFs you can find(type Cincinnatus Presidential in search box on their site) that make it clear that OOS surcharges are covered also.</p>
<p>@dragonmom- I just wanted to post a correction for the University of Washington. I believe the program just started with the class of 2014, but there is a merit scholarship available ONLY to OOS students. It is called the Purple and Gold Scholarship. It ranges from $4 to $9K and is renewable for all four years. This doesn’t make it a bargain, but it does help lower the cost and may make it an affordable option for some students.</p>
<p>Have you looked at UC Santa Cruz’s game design program? I hear good things about it.</p>
<p>I have heard good things about it, too, but not sure it’s right, according to my son. We checked out UCI’s similar game design program. He’s been super busy this summer, but once his show, math class, and chamber music program are over, we will have a few weeks in August to really sit down and assess everything. I’m hoping to be able to do some of the leg work before then-sifting through possible schools-so he can focus on work, music and studies.</p>
<p>Purdue is quite generous in terms of scholarships. They grant around 1000 Dean and Presidential scholarship each year to both in state and oos students that are independent of National Merit status. My D also got the $10k/year Presidential one and then they added another $10k scholarship which has a need component plus a small grant. All that cover almost half of the oos CoA for my D. At the end, she picked the in state flagship which has even lower cost after aids and is a better school over all too.</p>
<p>Woodsmom, thanks for the update! That’s really cool.</p>
<p>“Engr or CS, those are at many schools, but the intersection of product design/industrial design/game design”
-Eng / CS / design are very very different things. Specifically there are design programs that will start them out on a certain sequence and I am not sure how one can switch easily without adding more year(s) in UG.<br>
Again, while it might be important for design, the name of the UG is completely irrelevant for Eng. / CS.
Still another point, some UGs are specifically well known for one program (like Eng.) and not so much for others.<br>
As mentioned before, Case Western is very well known for Merit awards, my D. got a lot there (she was not NMF, not close and PSAT was not anything that many places consider anyway). Well, Case Western is psecifically well known for Engineering (and pre-med). Most resources at this school are spent on these 2. </p>
<p>Just a thought- Can you apply for application fee waivers if it really a burden?</p>
<p>Not sure if you mean me, naviance, but our income definitely doesn’t fall into the poverty level that is necessary on the Common App. However, some schools such as Yale have waivers for families like ours that fall in the under 80K income for a family of 5. But I do realize with sending SAT/ACT, community college transcripts, and apps fees, it’s going to be a lot. </p>
<p>My oldest son only applied to 10 schools and got waivers for about 4 of them (various reasons not having to do with income). It was a lot less expensive.</p>
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<p>I know they’re different, but my son isn’t familiar enough with either to know which way he might go. And he’s not looking for a name; he doesn’t <em>know</em> names of famous colleges except MIT. However, <em>I’m</em> looking for money, ha-ha, and the top schools give great need-based aid for families like ours.</p>
<p>Thus, I am trying to find merit aid since top schools are pretty impossible to get into.</p>
<p>I avoided CW because I didn’t think they would have merit aid for someone like my son. I think those top scholarships at places like CW are for science/tech/math standouts, not musician designers that have no clue whta they want to do.</p>
<p>Again, he has a few national honors and his robotics team was tops in our city, but his biggest EC is music/community service.</p>
<p>All I know is that when he read about both industrial design and metallurgical/explosive engineering, he got very excited. He’s mulled over game design and engineering and considered CS with game design, and that’s where we stand.</p>
<p>This son has several glaring deficits: He has no AP exams (though he will have 27.5-29.5 college units at the time he applies) and he has no awards from STEM, art or any kind of competition other than robotics and a small music competition. While he’s done a few competitive things (he is the top bowler in his league, for example), he is not competitive by nature. What he does is work hard.</p>
<p>And, he hasn’t taken his subject exams yet, so I really don’t know how competitive he’ll even be.</p>
<p>Neither U of Illinois campus is generous with scholarships, instate or out. There’s some stuff available if you are a URM or have a 0 EFC. They are quite unaffordable for most families in-state; kids without financial help are more likely to end up at the directionals.</p>
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Once my kid was happy with a SAT scores, everytime she takes a SAT subject test I sent the scores to 4 colleges. This makes sure the colleges know she is not adding the last minute and saves money. I think she got into U of MI and USC that way. She never visited any of these schools and U of MI is the one that tracks interest so it seemed to work out either way. In the end, I only had to pay to send SAT to 2 tip top schools.</p>
<p>He does get two free community college transcripts so that’s something. 
He’ll be taking subject tests so he can do that in Oct and Nov. We can get creative and think about which schools are fine with two tests and which need three.</p>
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<p>College course work that is at the same level as or more advanced than AP level material (with good grades, of course) will mean that the lack of AP scores should not be too much of an issue generally (although specific subject deficiencies where none of a college course, high school course, AP score, or SAT subject score are shown may be).</p>
<p>Regarding SAT subject tests, some schools want to see specific subject tests. For example, a student applying for engineering may have to do math (level 2 preferred) and a science.</p>
<p>Well, he won’t cover all the bases, I don’t think. History will not be covered by either a subject test or AP, but he’ll take Math II, Physics, and Literature subject tests. Not sure yet which APs will be taken senior year (too late for admissions, I know, but still trying to cover bases), but probably Lit, Calc A/B or B/C, Italian, and possibly Java or Mechanics. Still not sure what senior year will look like.</p>
<p>And most of last year’s CC classes were just exploratory: architectural drafting, intro to engineering, and animation aren’t likely to transfer. Only physics will be transferable. This year, he’ll be full time both semesters, and everything should be transferable or at least that’s the goal. Still waiting to see if he’ll take Calc I or pre-calc in the fall.</p>
<p>Does your son have a strong art portfolio? I’m pretty sure admission to most industrial design programs is heavily based on portfolio. Also, I believe hiring in that field is heavily dependent on the school. If he is serious about industrial design, he should be looking at Art Center in Pasadena. </p>
<p>“I avoided CW because I didn’t think they would have merit aid for someone like my son. I think those top scholarships at places like CW are for science/tech/math standouts, not musician designers that have no clue whta they want to do.”
-Case Merit award is strictly based on the stats as far as I understand. There is NO interview or anything else. You got stats for it, you will get it, no stats, no Merit award. The fact is that this school does stand out in this respect. But if it does not fit what your S. is looking for, then there is no reason to consider. Again, I believe it is more for engineers, not so much for designers. U of Cinci has definitely very strong Design department (my S. and DIL both graduated from it as Graphic Designers). However, while it was cheap in their time, times have changed. This public OH school does not offer much in Merit and I am sure that need based is not so readily available for OOS either.<br>
Anyway, this is OH and many CA kids have hard time driving in a snow in OH (this is from D’s personal experience, she has many kids form CA in her class, frankly, I told her that if they go somewhere make sure that she is driving and not CA kids)</p>
<p>Yes, University of Cincinnati and Art Center seem to be the powerhouse schools for industrial/product design in the US. I believe Syracuse also has a respected program. I have friends in the field and they seem to a very clique-y bunch when it comes to hiring. The program at Art Cen</p>