Parents of the HS Class of 2013

<p>I don’t even think I had a college process. Applying to schools with easy applications doesn’t count :slight_smile: One was even a simple fill in the bubble scantron type form! So Longhaul, I understand the obsession. We recently moved and I laughed when I saw that my son had put all of the college planning books in the bookcase in his room. So my secret is out also. And now I’ve even resorted to sneaking a book out when he’s in the shower or something. I’m currently on pins and needles waiting for a new book to arrive. </p>

<p>And speaking of EFC, I’ve never been so happy to have my salary frozen before…lol. My income will be the same when it’s time for the FASFA to be completed. Do the calculations change yearly? Right now, he’s just barely PELL eligible.</p>

<p>We’ve always been very upfront with our kids about finances. They know exactly how much I make and how much their dad makes and what our monthly bills are. We told them that we would pay for college up to our EFC - above that, they have to get merit aid and work. Other than subsidized Stafford loans, we don’t want them to take out loans (they will both be performing arts majors and likely to live in poverty post-graduation.) And grad school will be for them to figure out. We’ve already talked to D about working for a few years and then going to post-grad training. </p>

<p>Being upfront with finances helped D narrow down her list. She applied to one financial reach, but was OK when they didn’t come through with enough merit aid. It has also limited her study abroad opportunities, but she’s figured out a way to make it work on her own.</p>

<p>LH: You’re not alone :slight_smile: As a 1st generation American (and first in my family to graduate from college; actually until one of my D’s graduates from college, I’m still the ONLY one!) my parents had no idea what was going on. And my GC was a dope who retired at the end of my junior year after giving me no help whatsoever. I was NMSF and had no idea what that meant; I’m pretty sure that I didn’t do anything to go to the next level because no one explained it to me. And my dad wouldn’t fill out any FA paperwork because his finances weren’t any school’s business. My mom refused to let me go away so I commuted. When D1 made NMSF and I realized the opportunities that I walked away from, it got me a little upset. I want my kids to understand they have options; what they decide to do is fine with me, but I want them to examine their choices.</p>

<p>Waiting for AP scores here; TN usually gets them around 7/14. I’m a little nervous; D1 got a 5 on her AP Euro. I think D2 did well based on her feedback post test, but if she doesn’t get a 5 I hope she doesn’t start doing the comparison thing. She usually tests just as well as D1 but you never know. </p>

<p>We may do a few college tours at the end of the month; still trying to see if it’s feasible. D comes back from her summer program tomorrow so I’ll find out if she’s interested. We can combine a trip to see family with Columbia, Princeton & U Penn (all of which I’m pretty sure she’ll end up crossing off her list.)</p>

<p>Thanks all.</p>

<p>And we have had the $ talk ad nauseam. My kid is in private school and each year, since kindergarten, we hold our breath for the FA.</p>

<p>When I listen to everyone discusses finances, I get anxiety attacks! I think I am living in la-la land, because I don’t want to deal with the reality of it all. My d’s soon-to-be-ex private school NEVER discusses fin aid or merit money, because everyone is so wealthy they could pay 4 years of college NOW (they give $50-100,000 each year to the annual fund and we can barely give $50). They did have a fin aid company come to talk to the school but scholarships that are available that people don’t know about (I believe you pay that company a requisite amount to find them for you; it is a good company and got good reviews, but if you pay them $10K they better come up with at least $50K in scholarships I would think). However, the only people who attended the meeting were my soon-to-be-ex husband, and a handful of minority families in the school who were already on high school scholarships. Out of 340 kids from grades 9-12, there were only 11 families who came to the meeting. This is one of reason for sure we decided to leave the school because of the very wealthy community. Their kids are totally out of control with the drinking and partying (although I hear it is everywhere), and doesn’t matter if you get your stomach pumped and are promiscuous, as long as your family is a high contributor, you’ll wind up with a “character” award to boost your resume. That’s the politics of this particular private school sadly. </p>

<p>It was too much of a source of discouragement for my d and so now, we still don’t have a school due to her illness (since we may be out on medical leave). The money situation for us is not good; however, I don’t think the colleges care how much debt you have, or if you are foreclosing. I will not be getting a lot of alimony and child support, so I assume they will base our EFC on my ex’s salary even though he doesn’t give a fig about my d’s education. He is a selfish (among other things) person which is why I am divorcing.</p>

<p>My d’s ex-school and my therapist (who is on the board of a top lib arts college) told me (the school told everyone), not to go on college confidential or you will lose your mind. I have to say, I am very stressed after coming on the boards. Then I go and freak out and think my D isn’t doing enough. Another example is that her school’s AP courses will break your back, but when she saw all the practice books on AP Euro for example, she said she could have easily taken the test being in regular Euro (the same teacher teaches both classes), but the school refuses to let anyone take the test or let you off the day of the test to find a place to take it (I believe you have to take it at your school), so that is why we are considering our local public school. Before she got ill, we went to look at it, and they told her she could take whatever AP classes she wanted, which made her happy and very confident. For the life of me, I do not understand why the private schools make it so difficult to get into the class, when the AP tests are geared for everyone from around the country. You know that not all schools teach these classes alike. A friend of mine in a small town in upstate NY has her D, the same grade as all of ours, in 5 AP classes next year and had her in 4 this year. She was still able to work after school and participate in extracurriculars. There would be no way in the world anyone at my d’s school could do that. They allowed 1 ap class in soph yr (and the kids were up till 1-2am working on euro) and in jr and sr yr, you could only take 3 ap classes max. </p>

<p>At this point, it doesn’t seem like we are going to be able to afford much for college, but I did see Suze Orman speaking about college, and she said no way in the world should a parent co-sign a child’s college loan. The loan should be in the student’s name. Is that what everyone feels? How can our kids pay back loans 6 months after graduating (I didn’t realize that is when the re-payments begin, but I saw a special on CBS last year, and one student was saying, he was sorry he went to NYU and took out loans because he can’t repay them. He had gotten a job after college, but within 3 months, he got laid off, so he has to move back home with his parents and take a telemarketer job). He said the lesson he learned was he should have gone to the college that gave him all the merit aid, and then taken loans for a good grad school. He thought by going to NYU, he’d have more job opp’tys. </p>

<p>I, too, had no guidance in high school. I was in a Catholic school, and I did well, and in sophomore year, we had to make the decision to go business or academic. My mom, a single parent, made me go business despite the fact that I wanted to stay in the academic program. I had to be a “secretary,” because that’s what girls did (or become nurses). I resented it, but I had no choice. Plus we had a guidance counselor who was a year older than Methusala, and she knew from nothing. I went back for my 40th (gulp) high school reunion, and now the school is high tech, and the girls are graduating and going on to Ivy leagues and great liberal arts colleges. AND THEY HAVE A GREAT GUIDANCE COUNSELOR! At least our alumni contributions, as little as they may have been, went to a good cause!</p>

<p>In our family we’ve been having discussions regarding acceptance to REACH schools (we’ll help pay for) vs. a state school. In reviewing her desired major (Chem Eng) she’ll apply to MIT and CALTECH but if she doesn’t get into either of them, she’ll probably stay close to home and go to Texas. I wouldn’t mind paying for her to go to the reach schools, but after those two, I’m having a hard time seeing the ROI of paying for say Northwestern or UPENN.</p>

<p>Hi, all. Back after a week of vacation without internet.</p>

<p>Ds2 did his first official visit. It’s a school we already know pretty well and didn’t consider for ds1 but seems like an option for ds2. I think he was a bit taken aback by the middle 50% for SAT and GPA. He didn’t see how kids who had a 3.7 unweighted GPA would “only” score a 1350 CR+M. I keep telling him that with his high test scores colleges are going to look askance at his comparatively lower GPA. We shall see …</p>

<p>The kid had a great time at Kenyon. He fell in love with his fellow workshop participants and is going on and on about how his high school classmates pale in comparison. I had no idea he was so emo… He’s been on facebook for the past 48 hours. And apparently he killed at the talent show and now wants to be a stand up comedian. </p>

<p>But he loved Kenyon’s campus and didn’t mind the ruralness at all. He completely forgot that he’d been attending a class on Drexel’s campus for the past year when he said that Kenyon was the first college campus he’s been on. Going with the momentum, I showed him where his current stats place him wrt his admission chances (solid reach) and shortly after, saw him reading a Direct Hits book :slight_smile: The site I used was college data . com. Does anyone have an opinion about their accuracy?</p>

<p>Welcome back Youdon’tsay. I think colleges look at SAT’s because they can’t always trust the GPA. Grade inflation and grade deflation can really influence GPA. Everyone takes the same SAT test. </p>

<p>Reeinaz- Glad your son had such a great time! Not sure you know, but the best place to get data about a school is the “C” section of the common data set for any given school. Google Common data set Kenyon and it will show you a lot of data about the kids that get admitted. It is a great resource.</p>

<p>We have three kids, so $54K a year times 12 years is not happening. We’ve been very upfront about having x amount of dollars and after that they need to be looking for merit aid. We are not going to get a lot in financial aid. Cast a wide net and come April, see what the offers are like. We have pretty good state school opportunities, so that is an option. 19K a year is a lot more affordable than 54K a year!</p>

<p>Just got back from our NC college visits. Biggest surprise - in our UNC-CH tour group with maybe 20 kids, not a single one was from North Carolina. I will do a trip report if I can think of enough stuff to say. </p>

<p>The main insight my D had was that she does want an environment that mixes the arts and social sciences with the sciences, but nothing smaller than her high school. I promised no more visits until Spring Break 2012. We met up with her friend from camp, who went on the visits with us, and we visited some of my family that lives in Chapel Hill and Raleigh, then I dropped her off at camp today. </p>

<p>If the Mission was to get D to think about the vast opportunities of college and the academic and EC requirements of getting in, I think it was “Mission Accomplished”. As we were pulling up to camp, the Natasha Bedingfield song, Unwritten, came on the radio. Pretty appropriate, our kids’ story is “unwritten”, and they are just figuring out that they can write it themselves.</p>

<p>We are trying to decide if it is even worth it to apply to any private schools. Our EFC is about 37,000. We have two Top 100 US News instate unis coming in at about $20,000 total per year. Looks like S will qualify for merit at some of the southern universities…Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, USC, hopefully bringing down the cost to the level of our instate schools. Truman State is our out of state financial safety.</p>

<p>Haystack: My two older kids go to public schools (one goes to a UC and one goes to a Cal State). But, at one of the free college seminars I attended the financial consultant guy said that private schools often give more “free money” than public schools. I tried to test it with S2, but he ended up not getting into any of the public schools he applied to.</p>

<p>In our experience w D1, all of the privates that she applied to gave her EXACTLY enough financial aid (mostly merit, work-study and some Stafford loans) to get her COA down to our EFC. It was amazing how close all the offers were in the end. She received no merit $ from any public (TX) that she applied to. She chose one of the privates so we are paying just under our EFC, except for this coming year (soph) she snagged an RA job which is saving us a bundle on housing.</p>

<p>I have heard of some privates (like NYU) that offer very little merit and some (like Rice) that meet all of your need without loans. I guess every school is different.</p>

<p>medavinci
To quell my financial stress, I have focused on Bama with the guaranteed OOS tution discount for 1330 SAT (CR/M), Pitt (we are IS) and identified another OOS public which is a better fit than our PASSHE (true state schools) academically and financially in the same ball park as Pitt & Bama with the scholarship. This gave me a baseline price of $22k-$26k to work with. Many of the FA calculators I run come in with a FM EFC in the same range. Not that I like that number, but having solid baseline has just helped me so much mentally.</p>

<p>As far as co-signing loans - I would do it. I will fully expect to do it anticipating I may have to make the payments. But with 2 younger ones after my 2013 kid, keeping my credit scores higher by not taking debt in my name may be a priority.</p>

<p>If I were in your situation, I would start identifying schools that are FAFSA only so that your soon-to-ex’s income would not be needed for financial aid. This worked well for my neice whose dad goes MIA for long periods of time. Although he came thru and completed the CSS for her, knowing that she had schools on her list that she really liked and she did not need him for was a stress relief.</p>

<p>YDS
My son is right there with your kid. He’d be thrilled to have a cum GPA of 3.7 next year while he expects to have SAT 2100 - 2250. He certainly doesn’t have grade inflation at his school. And 3.7 is low A range at his school, so my son thinks it is a dandy GPA.</p>

<p>Reeinaz
So glad your son loved his program! It is always great to see this spark of enthuisam!</p>

<p>My son is off playing in the woods instructing others on Search & Rescue. No phone access. Last year they at least posted photos so I could “see” the kid was fine. No photos this year. I am not happy about it. My younger son started a Tech School exploratory program today. First time he has done metal work and he loved it!</p>

<p>We are using $25,000 (tuition + rm & board) as our baseline. At that number, parents and student will be loan free. Anything over that will require a loan.</p>

<p>Fortunately, we have 2 good flagships and a nearby OOS public with low tuition…Truman State… as financial safeties.</p>

<p>Problem is S wants to go somewhere warm. OOS southern publics with good merit look really good.</p>

<p>I’m beginning to think that there is no way that any private will be able to come up with enough merit/aid to bring it down to around $25,000. Warm weather privates we are looking at include Elon, Trinity (TX), Chapman, TCU, Loyola (NOLA). I’m not sure that the ROI for any of these or similar privates justifies incurring debt.</p>

<p>Haystack, I’ve been gone for a week and so may have missed this. What kind of stats down your ds have – SAT and class rank?</p>

<p>School does not rank.
3.75 GPA
30 ACT</p>

<p>I ask because I know of one Southern LAC that is very upfront about merit aid. Check out the merit aid chart at Southwestern. Looks like your ds would get $12K-$20K …</p>

<p>[Southwestern</a> University: Financial Assistance: Types: Scholarships: Merit Scholarship Program](<a href=“http://www.southwestern.edu/assistance/types/scholarships/merit.php]Southwestern”>http://www.southwestern.edu/assistance/types/scholarships/merit.php)</p>

<p>I like their transparency. And the total COA is $45K so might be able to work for you …</p>

<p>medvinci - I agree that if you know your ex will be useless (I have one of those myself) - stick to FAFSA only schools or verify that a Profile school does not require the NCP (non custodial parent) form. For D1 I didn’t realize how much this could sway the outcome and we would have avoided a few schools for this reason but some did waive the NCP need and some didn’t require it and then the rest were FAFSA only.</p>

<p>My D1 applied to both Southwestern and TCU and both gave her merit aid so COA was about $25,000. Also, SMU, Oklahoma City U, American, BU, Muhlenberg and Otterbein. She had 3.8 GPA and 1950 SAT.</p>