Parents of the HS Class of 2017 - 3.0 to 3.4 GPA

Hey all!

I’ll make one or two more updates to the monster and then hope to “retire” it and provide a final results summary (but will link back to the last iteration of the monster.

As always, there are errors and omissions so keep letting me know what I missed and I’ll do my best to update.

@rbc1999 welcome!!! I will add her to the list and thrilled to have you here! I have several other updates to make as well.

@curiositycat333 Reed definitely doesn’t have a marching band or the big school feel your S wants so I don’t think you should have a single regret there! S17 had it as his dream school for a long time but decided it was too intense (very good friend goes there).

@CoyoteMom yes, he will be doing a pro/con chart. Probably this weekend I am thinking but I’m laying off for a bit. I did get some additional insight yesterday that I found very very helpful though I think it may have confused S even more.

I do think Ursinus is out although at the Program meeting when they were talking about one area that is of interest, he mentioned that Ursinus would be best for that aspect. Which was true.

Way behind after the MSU visit and a whirlwind weekend. I thought I’d pop in and give a quick visit report…

Aside from the abysmal weather (cold, drizzly, windy ALL DAY), it was a good visit. The weather didn’t dampen S17’s spirits at all, but he’s a Northern kid through & through. And we walked over 10 miles in one day, so he had ample time on and around campus to get a feel for walking even in non-ideal conditions. MSU campus truly is huge, but S really likes that aspect.

The morning was the standard accepted students program, which was done well, but didn’t give a lot of new info. The student who presented for study abroad was a bit frenetic–she might want to switch to decaf ~O), but our tour guide was awesome. She knew the school, campus, and class types, and she wasn’t too perky. They had a prof present “advice” to the students, but it seemed the parents were more interested than the students.

We had lunch in the dining hall where S would eat (his major all live in 1 dorm which houses this dining hall, too). He’s picky with some sensory issues, so it was good for him to see that there was food he would/could eat. I discounted this aspect with S15, and find he uses A LOT of his spending $ on outside food…

We made a trek over to financial aid, and determined that his legacy scholarship still stacks with the increased merit from his honors college acceptance, so that was good to know.

The afternoon session with his major (residential college within MSU) was perfect for him. He already is changing his concentration within that college, though. ;:wink: which doesn’t surprise me, since I thought his original choice was a little too theoretical for him. They took the students off for a “mock class” with a prof who held a shortened, discussion style class with them. S felt very comfortable speaking up, and said he both asked and answered questions. Even in high school, his favorite classes have strong discussion & debate flavors, so he was happy with the class style. The parents stayed with an advisor who presented info and answered questions on curriculum. They also really stressed the field experience and internship requirements and opportunities–S was all in for those.

We also wandered campus and the area around it (in the drizzle) and spent some time in the student union, just hanging out and people watching. S said the students around seemed “normal” so I think he’d fit in.

So, he likes it, and can see himself there, BUT he can also see himself at Albany. Not a lot of clarity yet. :-S The good news is that I can also see him both places, so I don’t think he can make a “wrong” decision. I asked him negatives for each school, and he said MSU was a little far from home and the club hockey team is too competitive for his playing level, so he’d be playing “less competitive” intramural hockey. For Albany, the negative was that it was “kind of small” and didn’t have as much of the big college feel and experience. So, now we wait, while he figures it all out…

@eandesmom amazing job with the list, you deserve to retire!

Outstanding! Thank y’all!

@curiositycat333 chiming in too to second, no regrets! Your S has great choices.

Our Naviance wasn’t that helpful for Reed and a few others, because there weren’t any dots (red or green) anywhere near my S, definitely a reach for him though. For anyone else considering in the future, I think things are unpredictable (especially for kids with mismatched stats) and no harm in trying!

@endesmom May I come out of the shadows and join? I’ve been reading for awhile but wasn’t sure I could contribute much to the discussion. My DS falls below this group with a 2.77 end of junior year GPA, but perhaps his story will inspire others or give parents hope.

@tacocat333 - I could totally relate to using food as a way to draw out opinions from reluctant Son!

So I get the sense that TacoSon prefers either UMW or GMU to Randolph Macon - do you think he would be willing to try staying overnight at his top two choices? I highly, highly recommend overnight visits and sitting in on a real class or two to get a better sense of the other students academically and spare time personality (which to me add up to the “vibe”).

@eandesmom and E1 have also recomended meeting with a faculty member helpful - even if TacoSon doesn’t have a strong plan for a major, just pick a subject he might like. I personally would invest as much time on each of the two (or three) campuses as you can get TacoSon to manage (maybe you can convince him that if he spends the time visiting, he’s likely to pick up more swag?).

@DMVmom yes yes yes!!! Pretty please join in! We would love to hear your story.

@eandesmom and @CoyoteMom were your kids nervous about the faculty member meetings? I can see how this would be a great idea but without even asking I can just hear my son saying “mom, that is so awkward!”

@tacocat333 and @curiositycat333 and @Hankster1361 good luck with the remaining visits and decisionmaking I am right there with you wondering how this will all end. It is getting easier to draw out opinions but they are not consistent!

@DMVmom welcome!

Wow - out of town for the weekend - and so much news to catch up on!

@lakeviking - wohoo on Viking Son picking Colorado State University! Congrats! Especially for having a decision when he had so many great choices! =D>

@techmom99 - yay for TechSon choosing Fredonia! Amazing that other schools still trying to match offers, but what a relief to decide on what seems like a great fit. Congrats! <:-P

@twoinanddone, @tacocat333 - thanks for sharing stories about seniors who just aren’t that motivated to study for various AP exams, because CoyoteSon is also in the “who me, study?” camp. At least since I am paying for a Calc tutor, maybe some practice problems will actually get completed. No hope for CoyoteSon to study on his own!

So great to see the final acceptance lists in context. Thanks for sharing @Leafyseadragon, @Tyberius, @sdl0625, (and any one else I missed) - Double yay that all the anxious waiting to hear back is over, and for our kids to be back in control to pick their top choice.

@snoozn -,YAY for RIT, especially as they provided just a little bit more merit to sweeten the pot!

And anyone who is swinging by DC Metro area - PM me! TacoCat and I would love to have lunch with every parent on this amazing list! (Though our spring break trips are next week, so we may be ships passing in the night).

@mackatarinasmom - so sorry the $$ isn’t enough from Beloit - CoyoteSon and I both loved it based on our visit. So glad for the Croatia connection though at UNCG!

Gotta run - still haven’t caught up, but so glad to see more folks sharing results and wishing all our kids good luck as they continue to weigh options!

Regarding Reed–I took both S17 and S19 there since I’d heard so much about it, but neither one liked it. At all. Others I know like it. It is unique, so I think it has to speak to the student, and it wasn’t talking to mine.

Welcome @rbc1999@eandesmom probably wishes we’d all present our DC’s options in the correct format! Looks like you have some good options. Bummer on the 1 point on the ACT. We had some of that on the other side of the coin–missed some scholarship cutoffs at some schools who give good money for high test scores because just missed the GPA cutoff. I feel your pain.

@eandesmom – there’s mistake on the list that I wish were not: WashU repeats the COA/merit for WSU, but instead it should be $0.

D17 is back from her overnight at Allegheny. She liked it (but still likes UVM more). They kept very busy, attending various sessions/events around campus, including a comedy improv event. She sat in on a couple of classes, one on medical ethics and one on economics. She wasn’t overly impressed with the facilities- she put it, the buildings–apparently, they look great on the outside, but on the inside not so much. Not sure if it was just the type of classes she sat in on, but she was a little dismayed by how low-tech it was. She’s not a STEM kid, so didn’t see labs or anything like that. She said her high school uses more technology in the classroom. She stayed in an old dorm–we toured it last year when we visited, and loved the high ceilings and detail, but apparently it’s not quite as charming to actually live there, lol. She also wasn’t impressed by the bathrooms. So, she didn’t come home saying absolutely not, it’s off the list, but she wasn’t jumping up and down totally enthralled knowing it was the place for her. The journey continues!

Welcome to @DMVmom and congratulations to all on great results and I’m really jealous of those of you who know where your DC will be in the fall!

We have a WINNER! Husband asked son if he was ready last night to register for Freshman Orientation dates and son said yes. He will be heading to Valparaiso U in the fall. Now to move forward with the details. Good luck to those still gathering final info - it really does help. I think the overnight and discussion with profs really helped son make his final decision.

For the Struggling Sons of Calculus - I decided that I was done playing the hoping game and contacted a girl who graduated with older son going to the local U and is a math major and calc tutor on their campus. She’d LOVE to tutor younger son (they’ve known each other forever) and really cheaply $5 per hour :x At least this way I know he will actually study for the AP test rather than blow it off and I don’t have to listen to my two boys argue. If he can pull off the 4 he can be done with calc forever!!

In the spirit of data overload…

So…get this. S is actually within striking distance of a 3.5. Finals are 6/13 and 6/14. He won’t know if he hits it until final grades are in. If he does he can wear an honor cord. 6/15 is the last day to buy one. GAH. It may or may not be a long shot but sooooooooooooooooo close. I personally don’t think it should be a long shot, it is doable but, senioritis and all…and I don’t think he cares but…dunno. Need to broach it with him as I just realized this yesterday with the big packet of final dates that came in the mail.

Cap and Gown and announcements came home last week, YIKES!

I made a compare chart for S last night. My thought was that he give a point to whichever school he thinks “wins” each point and then we add up. If the schools are equal, leave blank. It’s a one page sheet that has the key points for each item for quick comparison. I can’t decide if it’s overkill or will help him. Ok, I know it’s overkill but…I found it helpful lol. I haven’t given it to him yet. Maybe tonight, maybe this weekend, maybe who knows. LOL!

Here is the points I put together for him to compare. I did not get into the side by side program comparisons on this although I do have that info available for him but I want him to look at the entire picture.

  1. Program entry point (direct or later)
  2. Average Class Size (overall school averages)
  3. Student to Faculty Ratio
  4. Grad Rates (4yrs /5 yrs/6 yrs)
  5. Retention (% who return after yr1)
  6. Ease to Change Majors (w/o adding time)
  7. Ability to afford extra time (i.e.summer at CC or extra time at school)
  8. City Size
  9. School Size
  10. Live on Campus Requirement
  11. Dorms
  12. Food
  13. Job opportunities while in school
  14. Jazz
  15. Theater
  16. Overall Music Scene
  17. Ability/Ease to come home
  18. Weather
  19. Student Vibe
  20. Average Age Undergrad student
  21. Scholarship requirements
  22. Internship opportunities Fr/So yr
  23. Research opportunities Fr/So yr
  24. Internship opportunities Jr/Sr yr
  25. Research opportunities Jr/Sr yr
  26. Location of internships
  27. Network region
  28. Job opportunity region (college recruit)
  29. Job (recuriting) Fair specific to Environmental College?
  30. State legislation active in leading efforts
  31. Ability to afford an unpaid internship
  32. Ability to afford study abroad
  33. 4 year Cost (includes travel)
  34. Student loan required?
  35. Payment on Student Loan 5 yr / 10 yr payoff
  36. Average Early Salary (school / field)
  37. Salary After Taxes
  38. Monthly Income after loan payment
  39. Expected Expenses (rent, utilities, groceries, cell phone, gas, car, insurance)
  40. Remaining (disposable Income)
  41. Required to work during school year?
  42. Amount of work earnings required (school year + summer savings)
  43. Parental funds for grad school available?

In an unrelated (but not really) odd development there is an outside chance of SSDI coming in from the bio dad that if it does go through, while it won’t remotely dent the arrears, could provide some needed breathing room if he does choose UVM. We won’t know though until after 5/1 (of course!). It’s been interesting to try and figure out what all that might mean if it does get approved. LONG story lol. S might turn 18 before we even know but would get some “back pay” if you will.

@Hankster1361 yep, total copy and paste error on my end. Including a vastly lower COA at WUSTL than is correct lol! I try, I really do, but that was a pretty big fail. Sorry about that! In my defense I swear this rounded added something crazy like 45 new schools and I got a little bleary.

@93pilots he was NOT thrilled that I scheduled them and “made” him do it. Each and every single time. And yet, he will be the first to say how helpful they were. S17 is an exceedingly outgoing kid who is very good at filling dead space but he did go into each meeting saying “I don’t know what to talk about or ask them”. I was there for most, though kept my mouth shut. In most cases the faculty member led with some kind of intro or overview and that always seemed to give S enough to get him started with questions. Honestly one of the best parts was learning from more than one that literally most of the schools on his list, specifically in his field, had faculty that knew each other, considered peer colleagues and in a way validated the selection of programs/schools. I did find that the kid had more concrete questions as an accepted student versus applicant and that the interview took on a different weight, for him.

@klinska one of S17’s issues with Allegheny was the low tech, apparently we have vastly nicer theater and music facilities at our HS. To be fair, we have really really nice facilities that are used on weekends and evenings as paid rentals for some amazing groups so it is a high bar. It actually concerns me a bit about UVM as he didn’t see the facilities there but based on what I can see online…the HS is nicer.

@smakl70 Congratulations on Valpo!!! And on finding a tutor :slight_smile:

@smakl70 Congrats on your son’s decision!!! <:-P

Here is Part 1 of DS’s story. DS loves sports. In middle school, he traveled the world playing soccer. He believed that sports would get him into college and that he didn’t need to do all of the work. Teachers (and his parents) tried to warn him but to no avail. The result was course grades below his test grades and a low GPA (2.77 end of junior year).

What others saw but DS did not is that DS is a late bloomer in every sense of the word. Even now as a senior, he looks like the sophomores. He has finally learned that the sports world is unforgiving. They want athletes that are bigger, stronger, and faster and won’t wait for anyone to get there.

As the soccer world left him behind, DS decided to join his high school football team. He worked hard to earn his spot on the team. He learned that football players are not dumb jocks. They work hard on and off the field. Football gave him discipline and confidence and changed his outlook and behavior. The end result is a 3.5 or 3.6 GPA so far his senior year.

Here is Part 2 of DS’s story. Applying for colleges presented a challenge with DS’s low GPA. While his SAT scores at 1230 are high for his GPA, they are not spectacular. His best selling point has been that he knows exactly what he wants to study (Journalism/Broadcasting) and do and can articulate it clearly. I must credit a wonderful academic advisor/recruiter at Penn State’s College of Communications for helping him identify his goals.

We used of his high school’s access to Naviance extensively; however, I found the Common Data Set for each school has been the most useful tool in predicting his chances of getting admitted. Initially, DS applied to 4 schools EA in late October. He then added 3 guaranteed admissions schools during December. He had initially planned to add several other schools like Syracuse as a reach and ODU as a safety, but decided not to include them. In mid March, he was invited to apply to Delaware (well after their application deadline) by their football coach as a possible recruit but he had to be accepted without the coach’s help. He was not recruited by any of the other schools to which he applied.

Here is Part 3 of DS’s story. He applied to 8 colleges and has the following results:

3 acceptances (1 to school but not major),
1 acceptance after being deferred,
1 waitlist,
1 deferral to branch campus, and
2 denials.

He even received merit aid at a few of the schools. DS has a tough decision to make. At this point, I don’t know how his story will end. The decision process is best described as a rollercoaster ride. I am trying to just hang on and enjoy the ride!

What a great story @DMVmom! Do you mind sharing the names of the schools from part 3? I would really really love to include your S on our big result list if it is ok with you.