<p>Also, you got to understand how capitalism works... there are winners and there are losers. Our school system follows this idea to its very core. If people were paid to go to schools, then I think you are right that there would be more entrepreneurs and inventors. But would there be any profit to be made? No. Competition will lessen because the primary concern of people living in a capitalistic society, which is to make money (in theory), is earned as easy as picking up dirt. Why then would people strive for more?</p>
<p>Most Econ textbooks I have drilled through do touch on this subject. We are paying students to go to school. Indirectly of course. If you go to PCC you should be especially aware of this, we are getting paid every day we attend. How come I pay less than 100 dollars for a class while people at USC pay thousands of dollars? </p>
<p>There would be input and output for giving money to above average students. Our government funnels funds to schools because it is believe that the tax revenue that goes into PCC will equate to higher domestic output from its students; that extra domestic output is worth the taxes funneled into PCC. Private firms would never fund such a thing though, because only the government has enough financial clout to fund a highly expensive, macroeconomic goal. </p>
<p>Capitalism there are winner and there are losers yes. There is no doubt a large disparity in US society. But you forget the aspect where all are winners. Capitalism strives for domestic output, thus the standard of living for all citizens of a certain economy should rise given the right ingredients of capitalism. This is why we have a poverty line of (I THINK) around $20,000 income per year. Compare this to the numerous nations where 1/3 to 1/2 of their citizens are living under $1 dollar a day. </p>
<p>IF we were able to somehow find out that the long term (30+ years) domestic output of high GPA istudents would outweigh the money paid to them directly, then this type of incentive would work. We would also have to make sure that we are getting the most bang for the buck; is there any other types of program that can increase domestic output more efficiently than paying above average GPA students?</p>
<p>Unfortunately...how would one even go about measuring the domestic output of above average GPA students? AdamantineX you are right, knowledge does increase output. We could definitely take some examples from the Japanese economy. Since the Japanese have relatively low population (so low that they will be extinct in 1000 years according to WSJ), their economy specializes in cramming knowledge into their citizens to maximize domestic output per capita. The production possibilities frontier might ring a bell, knowledge shifts the curve outward.</p>
<p>Again I apologize if some of the stuff I wrote is unclear...i'm a very scatter-brained thinker.</p>
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I agree with everything else except this quote. How can there be less competition if more people become entrepreneurs? If anything, it would be more competitive.</p>
<p>pcc has way too many people and parking sucks, also if your a first year you don't get priority so you end up with a pretty bad schedule, 5-6 days a week. one day mourning class one day night class, some people have like 6-7 hour gaps and have to go home and take a nap and come back later, then after a few weeks everyone drops and that's unfair to those who wanted to get into class, if chances are you not going to stick with it then don't sign up. also i think the school scheduling kinda sucks, its hard to get the classes you need with the schedule you want without having long gaps</p>
<p>i was a new student last year and i had no priority also. however my schedule was just perfect filled with useful classes. You just gotta be NOT picky about which professors to get.</p>
<p>Actually, the right way to go about PCC first semester is to take a bunch of easy, random, breadth/IGETC classes, maybe 15+ credits? Then you have summer/winter, where there are wayyy less people at PCC...so grabbing core classes shouldn't be that difficult. Then after your first intersession, you should have racked up a nice 25 units (15 from reg. semes., 10 from intersess.). 25 credits give you priority for all the good classes when you really start digging into your core classes.</p>
<p>yep im taking bunch of easy classes right now but they are all breadth/prereqs for my major. btw, do you think it'd be too hard for me to take a math5a and english 1b for winter? shud i just take one?</p>
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pcc has way too many people and parking sucks, also if your a first year you don't get priority so you end up with a pretty bad schedule, 5-6 days a week. one day mourning class one day night class, some people have like 6-7 hour gaps and have to go home and take a nap and come back later, then after a few weeks everyone drops and that's unfair to those who wanted to get into class, if chances are you not going to stick with it then don't sign up. also i think the school scheduling kinda sucks, its hard to get the classes you need with the schedule you want without having long gaps
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I agree with you on this one. I was new last year and i had 5 hours gaps because a lot of the classes closed. The system is flawed. Just be happy that you can get into classes. I know many people who have been here for over a year, and they still could not get into ochem because it was so impacted. The ochem classes closed in three days. I think the chemistry classes are probably one of the most impacted classes at pcc. They fill up so fast and yet there is a 33% drop rate. </p>
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<p>It's up to you whether you feel comfortable taking these two classes. It's doable. It also depends on the teacher you get for both classes. Math over the winter is pretty fast-paced, but if you've taken calc in hs and think you have a solid background in it then you should be fine taking these two classes together. Personally I thought english 1b was easier than 1a because I had a easier professor. I don't think math 5a is that hard.</p>
<p>I took ap calc ab and c in hs. Emailed one of the prof asking for advice and he told me that it would be better for me to take math 5a first (im eligible for 5b). I told him that i got owned in calc c. Iono how hard math class can be in college. Knowing all this, do you guys think i shud take calc & eng1b over winter? anybody wanna take calc/eng1b class with me?</p>
<p>I took calc bc in hs, got A's in it. When I went to pcc I skipped 5a and went straight to 5b. I got a b in math 5b. From my experience, the calc class at pcc basically covers the same material like ap calc in hs, except at a slightly faster pace and a little more in depth. But if you learned all this in hs already, it shouldn't be a problem. Also, the calc classes here are not as grade inflated as it is in hs. I think that's why i got an a in ap calc and a b here. Since you didn't do too well in calc c, then it's probably a good idea that you start at math 5a. Math 5b basically covers calc b and c (integration and series). I have heard from friends that math 5a starts out really really slow. </p>
<p>How good are you at english? If you're decent, then you can probably spend more of your time studying for math. It's probably going to be a lot of work doing math hw and writing papers, but it can be done. Goodluck.</p>
<p>=D I am better in math than in english =)</p>
<p>pcc schedules make you stay longer than you actually suppose to, like say a 3 units course is suppose to meet 3 hours a week, but they'll schedule it 3.5 hours a week, my first semester there was horrible, had so many papers to write for like every class on top of english, i had a brutal teacher, i took 1A but the teacher taught it like 1c, also they make you take that 1000x lab for no credit that is pretty much useless i think, but yah counselr told me to take some classes that were horrible and i had to take math 131 non transferable 3 days a week and teacher gave lots of homework, i barely survived that first semester, had 5 days a week, one day mouring class next day night, and english teacher made us do a research paper during thanksgiving break and was strict on attendence,there was only like 20 people left at the end of the semester cause they all dropped as the semeter went on and got tired of writing papers every day one after another and getting bad grades on them so yah first semeter just pick easy classes to get use to the system and don't take math and english in the same semeter unless you like to, i think a lot of people get parking tickets for parking on the streets where its a 1-2 limit, also i think the school enforces the cadets to walk around the whole parking structure to give out tickets. i don't think you can even get in the parking lot the first week. And if the class is closed and you try to add it the first day, sometimes most of the people sitting in the class already are trying to add so get there early. I wonder if some people just don't register or all the classes they need are closed</p>
<p>take the bus or get a ride form your friend =D
i take the bus right now to get home and my mom drive me to school
=D</p>
<p>PCC sucks!
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<p>Har har har...I have 5-20 minute gaps between all my classes now. No fridays either! Gotta love priority registration :D</p>
<p>pcc does suck, i knew someone who had like at least 3 hour gap between every class and then a 6 hour aoo to where their day ended at 9 pm and they started class that mourning, are you in the eops program or have been there a while?</p>
<p>i heard the eops program allows you to register on the very first day. Too bad i'm not in that program. I got my priority registration through ap credits. I was able to get over 20 units :D If anyone is planning to take chem classes here, it's nearly impossible to add because the space is limited by lab seats. Other than that pcc is not bad. After all it's public education. I'm sure if we were at usc, we would never had to deal with this :)</p>
<p>I have EOPs but I also go to GCC, yep, priority registration all the time baby! If I did become a full time PCC student I guess EOPs would also be the case for me(I am only taking one class at PCC).</p>
<p>how do you join EOPS?</p>
<p>It is based on your FAFSA information. If your income is low based on the number of people in your family, you could be eligible for EOPS.
Perks of EOPs includes:
First day priority registration
Bookstore voucher at a $250-270 value(at GCC)
EOPs grant awarding good students at 200 dollars a semester
Free charge of applications for the UC's and CSU's. I know there is a limit of 4 UC's though.</p>
<p>To continue staying in EOPs for the consecutive semester I believe you need a minimum GPA of 2.0 for good standing and visit the EOPs counselours three times per semester.</p>