Help a Worried Asian Boy

<p>Hello there!</p>

<p>I have been recently rejected SD, I, and now SB my top three colleges. All in all, it came down to my low GPA 3.4W. (2080 SAT)</p>

<p>I feel pretty down right now, but I know that giving up doesn't do anything. So I've opted to decide between Riverside/Santa Cruz or my CC. What are your opinions on this option? </p>

<p>Also, I never thought I would actually go to a CC, so this is all new stuff to me. Excuse my ignorance.</p>

<p>My CC has this honors program: I heard that you take it to get transferred to a good school. However, I also read somewhere you must complete 60 units of some sort - how does this work? </p>

<p>My Basic Questions
-UCR/UCSC vs. CC (possibly premed major, or psych something medical)
-Are these like "prep" classes (GE?) that everyone has to take until they can transfer?
-How do you keep your GPA up? Is it like high school difficulty?
-I heard that you can take 1-2 years, depending on how fast you get your classes? Is it possible to take longer?
-Do colleges look at your HS GPA when taking consideration for transfers?</p>

<p>Again, I apologize for my utter ignorance. Thanks for any help! </p>

<p>-Crux
<em>Future questions my be asked D:</em></p>

<p>P.S. Schools I may be aiming for: UCSD, UCLA, UCI, UCSB, UCD</p>

<p>There’s a lot of great info on the UC website about transferring. It might also be helpful to go talk to a counselor at your CC.</p>

<p>In my experience CC classes tend to be wildly varied on quality-- even within the same school. I’ve had classes that were little more than blow-off classes, and ones that required serious a$$-bustage just to get a B.</p>

<p>An advantage is that it’s cheap and can provide you with a little slower pace, if you need it, to ramp up to a UC. From a CCC you can take advantage of programs like TAG-- assuming you take your studies somewhat seriously --and transfer into certain UCs (such as UCSD) as a junior to take upper-div classes.</p>

<p>IMHO, the big problem with CCs is getting classes. It’s really hard right now due to state budget problems.</p>

<p>i think you should go to your local CC and make an appointment with a councilor: ask them about IGETC, TAG program, and how to prepare yourself for your CC. </p>

<p>this “honors” program you are thinking of is simply a guildline (IGETC) of classes that you take that are transferable to UC’s. this is a college level A-G requirement list that gets you to take you General Ed classes (GE’s) in your “2 year” college so that you can transfer and complete your other 2-3 years at a “4 year” college.</p>

<p>TAG program is a transfer agreement guarantee which guarantees your admittance into the UC that you TAG with. each UC has a different TAG program, rules, and guidelines. </p>

<p>no, CC is not like high school. College anywhere is no joke, and you will need to figure out a way to study and keep your grades to A’s and B’s. </p>

<p>plus side of going to a CC: cost is very low, you slowly move into the whole college thing, and you can go to whichever UC you want to with a guarantee, as long as you do your work and follow the guidelines like your life depended on it. </p>

<p>however, there is nothing wrong with UCSC. its a beautiful freakin campus, great school, ranked pretty well, and very good for med school. i would stop overlooking UCSC at all… maybe go visit the campus or go to admit day. UCR is no joke either, i would just highly recommend UCSC over UCR.</p>

<p><strong>read after posting</strong>* i agree with james, my CCC is crazy right now due to budget cuts, also class selection varies at CCC’s. my school has a lot of courses, but its brother and sister colleges do not. go check out your local CCC and visit UCSC and UCR if possible</p>

<p>you can try ucr and try to transfer into the ucla med program.</p>

<p>put it this way if you don’t mind going to a boring school (community college) for two years then go to CC. If you want to have fun, then go to the UC of your choices… Personally I think you should just go straight to a UC because I hated my years at a community college. There are no social life at a community college! I’m in my last semester at my community college now. If you decide to go to a CC then try to transfer in one year. take like 10 units in the summer and 25 units in each semester so you are able to transfer early… trust me 25 units is not hard especially at a CC. you just have to block out your social life from your friends.I took 25 units and it was manageable. Hope this helps</p>

<p>UCR is just as gay as CC, I live maybe 40 mins from UCR but i hear its socially dead as it gets over there. </p>

<p>I’m on my last semester after having similar stats from my HS. Got into UCR, rejected from UCI and UCSB. It wasn’t that bad at community college, it went by quick. Of course, I’m more than ecstatic about going off to university this fall. I did tons better in CC and I’m going to UCSD in the fall.</p>

<p>^ you do realize ucsd is also known as uc socially dead ? </p>

<p>anyways -to OP I would go to UCSC personally but it might not be for you. Visit the schools and see how you like them, but don’t dismiss them because they aren’t as prestigious as other schools.</p>

<p>^Obviously but I know a bunch of people at SDSU, I’m gonna join a frat, and study abroad. So I think I’m okay there. </p>

<p>Not to mention at San Diego is a hella awesome city.</p>

<p>@ CruxSC: Wow, you really came on at the right time and to the right forum. Also, I’m really similar to you I think. Allow me to begin by saying that I’m a current CC student who will be transferring to UC ____ in the fall. I need to wait until April 30 to hear from Berkeley, and that’s where I really want to go.</p>

<p>I have been accepted to UCSC as a Psych major.
My apps are still pending for: UCD, UCSD, UCLA, and UCB.
I applied to all schools as a Psych major except UCSD - Human Dev. and UCB - Phil. Wherever I go, I plan on switching into Psych anyway.</p>

<p>Here’s the thing: UCR and UCSC are good schools. UCSC is actually very strong in research and odds are, if you’re trying to go premed and become a psychiatrist or something, you will probably get a higher GPA at UCSC than somewhere like UCLA or UCB.
Strategically speaking, if you want to get into med school…which is really difficult, then it would prob be best to not go to the most rigorous academic institution for undergrad. </p>

<p>However, UCLA and UCSD have tons of notoriety, and their names will help in finding a job. Although, if it’s an MD you seek, you won’t really be out scouring for jobs. </p>

<p>I actually was premed, but honestly I just don’t have any passion for medicine. I wanted to be a child psychiatrist, but chemistry and physics are incredibly bland to me. No offense to anyone else who feels otherwise. Thus, I’m planning on getting my BA in Psych and then going onto a Ph.D in Org. Behavior or Child Development (totally different things, I know) lol. </p>

<p>Anyways, to understand your situation, you really need to consider 2 things:</p>

<p>Do you feel like you’re settling for UCSC or UCR? Do you feel like you could do better?</p>

<p>If you do, then I would highly recommend going to a community college and then transferring to a university. Just to highlight some of the perks of this system:</p>

<p>1) With a TAG (Transfer Admission Guarantee) you are guaranteed admission to UCD, UCSD, UCSB, UCI, UCSC, etc. You only need a 3.0+ and your major prereqs done to be eligible. I have TAG’s with UCSC, UCD, and UCSD…meaning I should be guaranteed an acceptance into these colleges. I’ll find out within the next month.</p>

<p>2) UCLA has TAP (Transfer Alliance Program). Basically, 89% of students in TAP are admitted to UCLA. If that’s not sweet, iono what is. My school doesn’t have this option, but your prospective CC may. You said it has an Honors Program, and that’s what TAP is (an Honors Program) so that could be it.</p>

<p>3) CC gives you a MUCH MUCH cheaper option, and much more time to figure out what you want to major in and how you want to go about doing it. This was invaluable for me because I am probably the same age as you (18) and as a young college student, I needed time to adjust and figure things out. We all do.</p>

<p>4) CC is easy. This can be a perk or a drawback. However, in terms of GPA, generally your CC classes will be easier than UC, and you should be able to get a pretty high GPA at CC if you’re serious about transferring into a UC. That being said, I have a 3.74 at the CC I’m at…Just to put it into perspective, I dropped out of high school. Although that was because I had alot of emotional issues.</p>

<p>Anyways, there are some things you need to know if you want to transfer from a comm. college to a UC. You need to have completed 60 transferrable units by the end of the spring (your last semester) b4 you transfer. At my school, 12+ units is full time. At 12 units per semester, that would take 2.5 or 3 years to transfer. I recommend starting with 12, but then bumping to 16+ after a couple semesters. Summer school is also a great way to nab units. I did 10 last summer.</p>

<p>Ok now I’m going to answer your questions sequentially:</p>

<p>1) I recommend CC. I only say this because of the $$$$ you’ll save, and because I don’t think you’ll be very happy settling for somewhere you don’t like or don’t like as much. Plus, Psych at UCSC isn’t all that great. To rank them: Psych at UCB/UCLA = Top 10 in nation. UCSD = 12th. UCD = 23rd. UCSC is somewhere far after those; I don’t remember where though. Those stats are according to USNWR.</p>

<p>2) At CC, you’ll need to fulfill IGETC. Basically IGETC is a fancy acronym for “do certain courses to transfer”. You’ll need a physical science, a biological science (with lab), 2 humanities courses, 2 social sciences, 2 englishes, 1 math, and 2 years of foreign language (can be satisfied with hs completion of 2 years). Essentially, this is a guided path toward the UC system. If you fulfill this path, your chances of getting in skyrocket. </p>

<p>Your prereqs for your major are a bit different. As a Psych major to UCLA I would need: Psych 1, a chem class with lab, a stats class, and a couple other things. These classes are all transferrable and count towards IGETC fulfillment as well. The more prereqs you have done, the better chance you have of getting in. Fortunately, I’m lucky enough to have IGETC and prereqs done for UCLA Psych.</p>

<p>3) GPA in comm. college is (in my opinion) easier than high school. You’re around students who are older, often don’t care (and aren’t bragging about their college admissions exploits like hs kids do…as a senior in hs you know what Im talking about lol), and there’s less competition. Getting a good GPA if you are motivated and have a strong work ethic should be fairly fine for you. I failed tons of classes in hs, but the UC’s don’t even look at your GPA or SAT’s from hs when evaluating you for admission. That’s why a CC was right for me at the time. I messed up big time, but I’ve been fortunate enough to turn things around. Many of us on here have similar stories.</p>

<p>4) CC can take however long you need. You can go and transfer in 1 year (extremely hard and I don’t recommend it), 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, w.e. lol. You can go as long as you want. I would shoot for 2 years, so that way you’re with your graduating class and you’re not rushing ot finish in one year or anything.</p>

<p>5) Nah, the UC’s don’t even look at your hs GPA or SAT’s when you’re transferring in.</p>

<p>I don’t think you’re ignorant at all. In fact, just by coming on here and asking these important questions you’re already figuring out the right things. PM me or reply if you need to know anything else or need clarification. I know much of this can seem overwhelming. I didn’t have a clue when I began at my CC. </p>

<p>Btw, just an interesting aside: My Psych teacher at my CC was the head of neuroscience at NASA and he has agreed to write a letter of rec for me to work as an RA (research assistant) in a lab wherever I end up in the fall…Hoping for Campos’ Child Development Lab up at Berkeley. Ironically, he went to UCSC, and now he is writing my letter for Berkeley. On top of this, he claims that as an RA, he made more money working at the university than he did paying tuition at the same time. I just find it interesting how various circumstances can have such unique interplay lol. </p>

<p>Anyways I wish you all the best and please ask away if you need to know anything else! ttys.</p>

<p>I know CC doesnt sound appealing but go to a CC !
Save a lot of money and TIME…I did 60 units w/o AP in 1 year !
waiting for my UC decisions but got in to my safety school so far…
it will pass by quickly and u won’t feel anything
they dont consider hs decision when transfer thou</p>

<p>the downside of going to CC: no freshman college experience</p>

<p>if you have the money and time , then go to UC
but if u are tight on money, by all means CC !</p>

<p>I feel ya Asian boy!</p>

<p>I had a 4.4 in HS, 2200+ on my SATs, EIC, ASB officer, varsity, yada yada yada. Had my sights on an Ivy League (I know, I know… Embarrassing) but didn’t make it in my top 3 schools (incl. UCLA). People were surprised but I just ended up going to CC anyway (moved away, though). At first, I absolutely hated the idea but I grew to love it fairly quickly. I’m really glad I came went to CC the past two years. Saved money (actually, made money - FinAid was pretty awesome) by going to community college.</p>

<p>As far as difficulty goes, CC is a bit more challenging only because you really - as in, not bull **** - think critically (as opposed to high school, where everything’s routine and you pull everything out of your ass). I liked CC better mostly because you take classes you want, professors are much more chill, and there is that thrill of meeting new people all the time. You also pay for your classes now so if you don’t do well you’re pretty much wasting your money, hahah. Anyway, my friend was a 2.0-er in HS, maintained a 4.0 at CC and got into Stanford.</p>

<p>In the end, though… I would choose CC over UCR or UCSC. :slight_smile: There are a lot of stories I hear of students (who had their sights on transferring out of their current 4-yrs) becoming ‘complacent’ and ‘lazy’ to apply for transfer because they figure they’re already half-way done with the school they’re at. So if you do choose R or SC, make sure that isn’t you (unless you really do grow to love it).</p>

<p>How to get into ATLEAST one mid tiered UC(Irvine, SB, D) almost guaranteed</p>

<h1>1 Complete all of your IGETC classes(you can use AP test scores to help)</h1>

<h1>2 Complete the ESSENTIAL breadth requirements</h1>

<h1>3 Complete whatever non-essential prereqs</h1>

<h1>4 Complete American History thing(I didn’t do it, it’s only one or two courses and it can be done at the UC)</h1>

<h1>5 Maintain an OK GPA. Especially in classes which are prereqs.</h1>

<p>things to look into:
extra curricular activities, work volunteer etc. A great way to get some brownie points is to found a club at your school or to become an officer in a club. If you’re looking for filler, join a few things or a few honors societies and this will be alright.</p>

<p>this will get you into at least one of those three. I half assed **** and had a share of F’ ups and I’m in at UCI and UCSB for economics(didn’t apply to UCD) If you want a shot at SD, LA, or B then aim for a higher GPA, do better ECs(if you want a shot at Biz admin at B or bizEcon at LA, then work your ass off and really pound in those ECs and do ALL the prereqs. DO ALL THE PREREQs)</p>

<p><a href=“Welcome to ASSIST”>Welcome to ASSIST;
assist.org did more for my college career than any guidance counselor ever did. Make a schedule and GET into your classes. Take summer sessions if you have to. If you do everything right and you have a fair bit of AP credit, then you can in theory take a class or two this summer(GET ALL As), a solid load next term(and apply to transfer to a UC in November) get good grades that first semester(this semester COUNTS and COUNTS HARDCORE) and then you’re done with the app and most BS. Berk has an an additional application thing and SD does too after the general app, not sure about LA. Just keep your grades up(you can drop your ECs now as they won’t be needed)
ohh and UCs prefer QUALITY of Ecs to quantity, focus on one thing above all others. Same with essays, one thing and focus on it.</p>

<p>@ajdavidson07: Is this TAG/TAP program something I sign up for? For example, like the pre-IB programs in HS? And if so, it’s basically a set guideline thing in which you follow certain # of classes to get TAGged? <em>this is what I got from reading your guys’ posts :D</em> Thanks for the help! ^^</p>

<p>@Fenris: My friend tells me this. But I’ve heard pretty bad things about Riverside. Especially since (not bashing on Riverside students) many go there b/c of rejections from other schools, but don’t want to go to CC. So not really a tasteful option :p</p>

<p>@socal4: I don’t mind boringness. Hell, I’ve had that for 4 years in HS. I can last 2 if it helps me get into my dream school/best experience. Oh, and since I live in an Asian-majority city the social life epitomizes boring. xD</p>

<p>@audioslavery: Haha, exactly! Good luck and best wishes to wherever you go!</p>

<p>@emilsinclair9: First of all, I’d like to say thanks for posting such a constructive post! You actually made me feel a little less alone (similarities and whatnot). :smiley: Haha, and yes these smart kids are ridiculously smart/competitive -.- Anyway! What is the difference between doing the IGETC and a TAG? Also, if I were to major in Psych how would I know what pre-reqs to fulfill? Is there a link/site out there? Again, many thanks to your post! Helps a lot. Congratulations on getting that letter! I’m sure you’ll be making the $$ :D</p>

<p>@nyc_dream1: Oh yes, another question: What if I do have AP credits? How do they transfer over…? Wasted all that time and money on AP courses hehe. I took European history (4), Biology (4), US History (4), and Calculus AB (3). I am taking English Lit, US Gov., and Statistics.</p>

<p>@edelynly: Hehe, thanks for your post! :smiley: your story gives me hope that I’ll succeed. :slight_smile: Ofc, this means not slacking off anymore and actually studying. lol</p>

<p>Last comment: I didn’t see an answer to this, but what if the classes I need are all taken? Does this mean I will possibly have to wait longer than 2 years? If so, what the heck do I do? Just sit there until the class is open? D:</p>

<p>Ugh, last last comment! hahah - If I were, say, to follow psych pre-req courses in CC but later decide I want to change majors, how would this work? Or would I be able to apply, get accepted, and then change majors? </p>

<p>Thanks to all your posts! Very helpful :))</p>

<p>P.S. Sorry for big wall of text</p>

<p>

petition, petition, petition and enroll at multiple CCs if you must. I can’t answer for anyone but myself and since I took classes at my CC since I was 16 I got priority registration(YAY SENIORITY SYSTEM) but I got into a full 19 units this term in my first choice for each class. Have a friend who decided to enroll last minute after most of everything was gone and she still got into most of everything she needed. If you have a lot of AP units coming in, you’re gold, just take 2 courses over the summer(6-8 units typically), 15 units or so over the first term, if you need to take something during the winter if it’s offered(online works) and then another 15 units the next term and you’ll have 60 units knocked out(you MUST have 60 units) and you can be out in ONE YEAR. If something horrible pops up, then it might take a year and a half(some UCs offer winter admission) or two years. If you’re an F’ up like me and waste an eternity repeating and retaking calculus courses it might stretch on for 3(22 units of time for what should have been 4, yeah that cost me) But yeah, if you have a 3.0GPA, and all your prereqs and IGETC knocked out, you’re more likely than not to be accepted into UCI, UCSB, and UCD</p>

<p>take a look
[University</a> of California: StatFinder](<a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/library/tables/table_50-2009.aspx]University”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/library/tables/table_50-2009.aspx)</p>

<p>3.00 - 3.19 1,331 669 280 50.3
UCSD admit rate for a 3.0-3.2 is over 50%(and this includes those who aren’t eligible applicants[under 60 units for example] and who haven’t satisfactorily completed IGETC and their prereqs)</p>

<p>for Davis
3.00 - 3.19 1,032 728 381 70.5</p>

<p>for UCI
3.00 - 3.19 1,294 843 323 65.1</p>

<p>for UCSB
3.00 - 3.19 1,282 866 304 67.6 </p>

<p>3.0GPA, 60 units, IGETC and prereqs knocked out and you’re pretty much in. With a 3.5 it’s damn solid. I have a 3.5-3.6 and I’m in everywhere I applied(didn’t apply to LA or Cal though)</p>

<p>just remember the more competitive the major the higher you have to achieve.</p>

<p>honestly the biggest plus of C.C you save 20,000-40,000 in tuition depending on your parents income which is … amazing</p>

<p>go to a CC, it makes a lot more sense</p>

<p>I like having small classes (most of my classes were less than 30 people), only paying $20 a unit and knowing I have so many options on where to transfer to.
The thing is I know so many people who went to a UC or Cal state and even out of state school and ended up going to the local CC their 2nd year and you really dont want to “waste” a year at a school and money.</p>

<p>Also you will have a better shot getting into a school that you want out of a ccc instead of a UC (a uc wants to keep you all 4 years while a cc wants you to transfer)</p>

<p>oh and on a side note, I have never had a problem with getting classes that I needed and at the end of spring I will have 84 units and even spent the fall semester Studying Abroad which was only $8000!</p>

<p>I think you have been given a lot of good advice on here. The only other thing that I would say is to really check assist.org carefully. Some of the “pre-med” majors like Molecular and Cell Biology at Berkeley have a lot of pre-requisite classes you will need to take at the community college before you can transfer. This can make it hard to complete all pre-reqs in two years (unless you already have some of them done trough AP credits) unless you are really willing to take a lot of really hard classes at the same time. I think that some people who try to transfer into these more difficult science majors end up taking a little longer at the community college.</p>

<p>yeah if you are not going to be happy at UCSC (dont know why!) or UCR than i would recommend CCC for 1-2 years and transfer… just BE MOTIVATED and do not get stuck being in CCC for more than 2 years! im a 3rd year transfer and im about to blow my brains out…</p>

<p>TAG is just a program that applies to anyone who has met the guidelines…not some program you have to fight to get into. you can definitely get into it and take advantage. the only thing is for ucla, ucb, and ucd, tag is a contract that you have to obtain so those are a bit harder. </p>

<p>so yes, you can go to a CCC, save money, and transfer to where you really want to go. but really, STAY MOTIVATED and try to get out after 1 year if possible! that would be really great…i would have loved that. </p>

<p>CCC social life is basically the same life as you not being in school… people dont come to socialize; they commute in, go to class, commute out. some functions on campus, but its really boring because a majority of people just dont care to meet a bunch of other students. LAME. i miss not being a frosh somewhere</p>

<p>Thanks for the posts guys!</p>

<p>Just wondering, from usdenick’s link: assist.org - I found the pre-reqs needed for each UC. However, there’s this listing of other classes that I don’t understand. Says this:</p>

<p>NOTE: THE FOLLOWING UPPER DIVISION |<br>
CHEMISTRY REQUIREMENTS MAY BE TAKEN AT |<br>
A COMMUNITY COLLEGE. IF COMPLETED AT A |<br>
COMMUNITY COLLEGE, STUDENTS STILL MUST |<br>
MEET UPPER DIVISION GRADUATION |<br>
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COLLEGE AT UCSD.</p>

<p>This is for BioChem Major in UCSD btw. 2 of my friends keep trying to persuade me to going to UCR, but I now understand the differences in $$ lol. Also, if I did not apply for FAFSA for my CC can I still get any form of Financial Aid?</p>

<p>Oh, also: when I take my placement tests for registration into CC, how will I tell them what classes I need to fulfill my pre-reqs? Or will they help me with this?</p>