<p>Oh, okay. Thanks for that bit. I'm not up on those schools or their sports (nor much of the NCAA, for that matter).</p>
<p>American is a great deal, selectivity, location, price and name recognition wise.</p>
<p>Colgate's alumni giving will go down because the University is buying the frats. before 1970, about 95% of the students were in frats, and most of those alumni, particularly the wealthy ones, are as loyal to their frats as they are to Colgate. old alumni do not like changes in their alma mater, and this is a huge change. therefore, they will give less money</p>
<p>Colgate will ride this out; other schools have. Williams did away with frats in the late 60's/early 70's to the dismay of many alums. Today 63.01% of Williams alums give to the school. Amherst - same thing.</p>
<p>Mmmm, tcolgate's right though. Frats are huge in Colgate culture. Maybe they will get over it, but if Colgate does go ahead with it's plan, I bet donations will drop off in the short term.</p>
<p>I agree short term. I'm sure Williams saw a dip back in the 60's and Amherst in the mid-80's. It's not impacting alumni giving today at either school. (Amherst is also over 60%). Frats were a big deal at these schools too.</p>
<p>hmm, thats a good point</p>
<p>my dad is a colgate alum though, and his fraternity brothers for the most part have toned down their donations. of course, i think he may have been in one of the more hardcore frats</p>
<p>however, there is no way Colgate could ever get away with doing away with the frats completely like Williams and Amherst. i still don't see how Williams did it, seems like theres nothing to do wherever that school is located, seems like the perfect school for frats</p>
<p>Let me guess: DKE, right? I have no ax to grind here - there are two of my family members' photos hanging up on the wall at DKE at Colgate. And you are right - (1) Colgate isn't disbanding frats all together and (2) Williamstown isn't all that different than Hamilton, NY. Co-education did go pretty smoothly at Williams from the beginning, in no small part due to the fact that there were no longer any frats. The changes going on now at Colgate aren't necessarily a bad thing - it may take some time for alums to sign off on that.</p>
<p>nope, Beta</p>
<p>the changes at Colgate are what i would call interesting. i think the reason people don't like them is because no one can tell exactly what the administration is planning to do. have you been to this site <a href="http://www.sa4c.com%5B/url%5D">www.sa4c.com</a> ? some of the stuff the guy says is way out there, but he hits the nail on the head with some stuff he dug up</p>
<p>I think the bad car accident 4 years ago involving a DKE and the hazing incident last year that got KDR shut down have contributed a lot to the admin's trying to quiet the frats. They've spent years trying to lessen the party school rep too. But they didn't really make anything better by ignoring the counter-proposal the frats put together at the beginning of this year.</p>
<p>Rabo, would you say that Colgate is still a pretty big party school? you live in Hamilton right? where do most of the kids party?</p>
<p>Well, the big party bar got shut down right after the accident. The Jug is still pretty popular, but I hear it's mostly for freshmen. Frat parties are big, as always. Every friday and Saturday night there's basically a block party on the street with the bars and the pizzeria. I'd say it's about as big a party school as a D1 school with frats in the middle of nowhere is expected to be.</p>