<p>What schools do you think are on the same level as JHU?</p>
<p>Ivies, Stanford, Chicago, MIT,</p>
<p>Next tier:
WASH U
NORTHWESTERN
EMORY
RICE
VANDERBILT
CAL
UVA</p>
<p>WealthOfInformation: which tier are you saying JHU is on? With Chicago et al or the next one?</p>
<p>EDIT: I think it is on the level of the Ivies, Stanford, Chicago, and MIT. While next tier has some great schools, they just don’t have the academic rigor of JHU et al.</p>
<p>Other than Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford/MIT JHU is on a relatively equivalent level with any other school in the US News top 15.</p>
<p>I would also throw Caltech in there.</p>
<p>are we talking about general prestige here?</p>
<p>I agree, put in Caltech. Also, I am not taking about prestige…it is meaningless what your average Joe thinks of a school’s worth. I am talking about the quality of academics, quality of the student body, and quality of research (and I guess quality of faculty as well).</p>
<p>Off topic, but I just noticed the OP’s name is very similar to Daniel Kane, who is one of the all-time great performers on the Putnam competition; freakishly smart math genius. Was that intentional?</p>
<p>haha danity kane is a crappy girl group band. i think thats what OPs name refers to</p>
<p>Oh! I had no idea. I don’t tend to listen to things that are mainstream.</p>
<p>“Peer” means that the listed universites compete for the same students, and those same students consider them “peer” when applying for admisson.</p>
<p>Listing only the private research universities that would be considered peer to JHU; in no particular order:</p>
<p>The Ivies
MIT
Duke
NYU
Vandy
Emory
Rice
U Chicago
Northwestern
Carnegie Mellon
Washington U</p>
<p>All of the above compete with the best of the public state universities as well (Cal, Michigan, Texas, Virginia, etc.)</p>
<p>Sorry … WASH U gets kids who are really interested, not necessarily exceptional students. I believe they are second rate to the other schools listed. They rely heavily on kids showing interest, not talent.</p>
<p>^Not always. I did absolutely nothing to demonstrate interest in Wash U aside from showing up for one of their local alumni interview events, but I still got in.</p>
<p>^ D also got in Wash U without showing interest – no visit, no interview, etc. FWIW, their selectivity ranking is much higher than their overall ranking, according to USNWR. D picked Hopkins BME but it wasn’t an easy decision.</p>
<p>Above two posters:</p>
<p>My point was that you can be an exceptional student OR show a lot of interest. They are not mutually exclusive. You both are clearly exceptional students! That said, there are students there who are just really interested in being there, that are not exceptional but get in because demonstrated interest matters a lot to them.</p>
<p>The test scores of the enrolled students at WUStL are surpassed by only a half dozen colleges (Caltech, Mudd, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Pomona) and measurably higher than JHU’s, particularly at the 25% end of the median range. </p>
<p>96% of WUStL students were in the top 10% of their classes. 84% of Hopkins students were.</p>
<p>Both schools have almost exactly the same yield, 30-32%.</p>
<p>Even with severely tinted Hopkins goggles, it should be evident that JHU attracts no exceptional students that WUStL does not, and it is absurd to indicate otherwise. The two are certainly peers at the undergraduate level.</p>
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WUSTL is very secretive about their data and I don’t think that they publish their CDS like others do. Some believe that their numbers are for admitted students, not enrolled. There is no way to verify because they don’t publish the data the way that others do.</p>
<p>^^ This is the key - WashU has very, very, VERY questionable ethics and policies in the world of admissions…</p>
<p>I have an anectode which supports the rumors about WUSL’s unusual admssions practices. When my daughter was applying to colleges, she was waitlisted at WUSL. My wife and I were somewhat surprised but not shocked since we understand the competitive nature of admissions. When we asked her college advisor about it, the advisor told us than no one from this well respected independent school had been admitted in the first round at WUSL for some years, in contrast to the school’s stellar record at other top universities. The advisor speculated that this was “payback” by WUSL for previous years when students at the school who were offered admission tended to turn it down, thus hurting WUSL’s yield. I expressed some skepticism about this theory and she offered to call WUSL’s admissions office. To my astonishment, she was told that if my daughter promised to accept the offer, they would admit her on the spot (this was well prior to the May 1 reply date, so this was obviously not a normal admission off the wait list). It seemed that the advisor’s suspicion was correct. I couldn’t believe that the admissions office was engaging in a form of collective punishment, but it seem that it was. </p>
<p>BTW, my daughter said no to WUSL and went to Hopkins (and never regreted it).</p>
<p>“The advisor speculated that this was “payback” by WUSL for previous years when students at the school who were offered admission tended to turn it down, thus hurting WUSL’s yield. I expressed some skepticism about this theory and she offered to call WUSL’s admissions office.”</p>
<p>I really doubt such thing really happened to you and your daughter. The admission officers at any top schools are professionals who would not use the term such as Yield Protection to explain why someone is getting waitlisted. And waitlisted students who get offers from WashU are given more than enough time to make their decision and that’s why you can see some threads like “Duke vs WashU” in which the OP was already set to go to Duke, but just got off the waitlist at WashU. Furthermore, WashU doesnt rely on the waitlist to fill in their class. The waitlist is like a gentle way of saying you get rejected. And FYI, WashU did not even touch the Waitlist for the incoming class of 2014.</p>
<p>Anyway, to those arrogant Hopkins people who think that JHU belongs to a totally different and higher tier than Northwestern, WashU, Vanderbilt, Rice, Berkeley and Emory… do you guys really think that the people at Ivies+MIT+Caltech would consider JHU as their peer? ;)</p>