<p>Even with Wharton in the picture, I don’t see why Michigan shouldn’t be considered a peer of Penn. Looking at the two universities in terms over all academic excellence, there’s not much difference… (I’m including grad school too.)</p>
<p>“Penn is NOT a top Ivy. Michigan is a top public and is an academic peer of Penn.”</p>
<p>So is Spelman an academic peer of Penn? After all, Spelman is the top HBCU…</p>
<p>Oh come on. Michigan’s Business School is not exactly Podunk Business School. It’s up there with Wharton and Harvard MBA and Berkeley and Sloan.</p>
<p>This is ridiculous. There are many areas where Michigan excels past UPenn and vice versa. Why even argue?</p>
<p>Lots of love for Chicago</p>
<p>Michigan is also an academic peer of Duke. USNWR PA scores of Michigan and Duke are exactly the same this year at 4.4. Michigan’s PA has slipped a little however, down to Duke’s level since last year. Nevertheless, I respect both Penn and Duke as peers of Michigan.</p>
<p>Dukealumnus, are you trying to say that being a top public university is no better than being a top HBCU? So Cal, Michigan and UVa are peers of Howard, Florida A&M and Spelman now? My how the mightly have fallen!</p>
<p>^^^^I’d prefer to say how the arrogance has risen.</p>
<p>^ agreed. That statement will only cause more hate for the Dukies on this board.</p>
<p>If he so much as suggests something like that in Ann-Arbor, he is either going to get laughed out of the state or jumped and beaten, lol. What a ridiculous comparison.</p>
<p>He won’t get jumped and beaten Hope2getrice. Laughed at and ridiculed however, is a very good possibility.</p>
<p>i saw the dukealumnus comment, and i cringed. and i’m a duke kid.</p>
<p>not everyone at duke thinks the same way. but i appreciate the duke love from others :)</p>
<p>peer schools i respect: columbia, uchi, penn, stanford, mit, berkeley (but berk’s graduate only, no offense :/) </p>
<p>i don’t know much about UofM, BUT i do know it’s a good school. btw, i think this is a cool thread :)</p>
<p>UMich Ross, UMich Law and UMich med are each highly respected and highly regarded in the academic world…</p>
<p>I personally believe UMich is very underrated on this forum. UMich is definitely an academic peer of UPenn.</p>
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Sorry, but I do take offense. How can you only respect a school’s graduate programs? FWIW, Berkeley’s undergrad programs are tops as well. I’d also point out that Duke’s grad programs are nowhere near the same league of Berkeley’s grad programs.</p>
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That’s easy, even if you disagree with him in this particular case…</p>
<p>^ Ok, modest. Same faculty and facilities are utilized…</p>
<p>School- Pomona</p>
<p>Love/ Respect To: Stanford, U Chicago, CMC, Princeton, Yale, Amherst, Northwestern</p>
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<p>exactly. ucbchemegrad, your posts make me smirk. you’re so caught up in berkeley’s awesomeness to see its flaws. &for some reason, you always bash on duke.</p>
<p>yeah, berkeley’s graduate programs are AMAZING, but the undergraduate experience at the top schools are above that of berkeley’s. yeah, academics are strong. but i dislike how there is no undergraduate focus, how resources are not well allocated, how funds are low (mainly because its a public school, which affects big things like housing…), etcetc. sorry, but berkeley’s undergraduate is good. not amazing. </p>
<p>duke’s undergraduate student body and overall “intimacy/experience,” aka the fuzzy stuff, are stronger, sorry. yeah berkeley’s graduate programs beat duke’s but whatever. simply put, i don’t respect berkeley for its undergraduate prgorams. but that’s just my opinion, so whatever :)</p>
<p>I am not a pretensious wad, I respect all forms of education after highschool.</p>
<p>eatsalot, i know Berkeley’s flaws. It’s a sink or swim environment and not for everyone. </p>
<p>I don’t bash Duke but tend to voice a balancing opinion on these boards from the small, private school lovers who think small class sizes and limited academic majors are all that.</p>
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<p>you’re definitely the bigger person. (or more likely, you’re trying too hard.)</p>
<p>"i saw the dukealumnus comment, and i cringed. and i’m a duke kid.</p>
<p>not everyone at duke thinks the same way. but i appreciate the duke love from others "</p>
<p>You have a good attitude eatsalot. Unfortunately, it seems like the majority of Duke students/alums on this forum have an unjustifiable sense of elitism.</p>
<p>"peer schools i respect: columbia, uchi, penn, stanford, mit, berkeley (but berk’s graduate only, no offense :/) "</p>
<p>As UCB stated, Cal’s peers if one looks just at graduate programs are Harvard and Stanford. All of Cal’s graduate programs are ranked between #1 and #7 in the nation. All of them. That includes Biology, Business, Chemistry, Computer Science, Earth Sciences, Economics, Engineering, English, History, Law, Mathematics, Physics, Politicial Science, Psychology and Sociology. Only Harvard and Stanford can match Cal at that level. At the undergraduate level, Cal and Duke are peers. Whether specific individuals believe that one is slightly better than the other is not the issue. There are always going to be some people who are going to say Cal is better and others who are going to say Duke is better. Depending on what criteria you use (and the weight to assign to each criterion) to evaluate institutional quality, you will come to different outcomes. But regardless of outcome, neither school will pull sufficiently away from the other for one to accurately say that those two schools aren’t peer institutions. This said, I will agree that Cal and Duke don’t have much in common. Duke has more in common with Dartmouth, Michigan, Northwestern, Penn, Stanford, UNC and UVa than it does with Cal, Chicago, Columbia or MIT.</p>
<p>"i don’t know much about UofM, BUT i do know it’s a good school. "</p>
<p>Why don’t you do some research on Michigan. The school could well surprise you.</p>
<p>"btw, i think this is a cool thread "</p>
<p>I agree, it is cool to see what other universities students from a particular universities view as their “peers”.</p>