*Penn Class of 2020 Early Decision Discussion*

Yes but ED applicant pool is much more qualified than RD.

Hey everyone! I was accepted ED last December to CAS and I’m just here to offer help. Feel free to post a question in this thread or private message me. I can’t promise I’ll be here after August 20th though because I move into Penn’s Quad that day and I’ll be busy with school.
Also I can really help with essays. I know my essays are what got me in (because my test scores sure didn’t :P) and I have experience editing. Good luck on the college application process. It isn’t easy but a full ride to your dream school (though your dream school might not be the place for you) at the end is worth every moment of stress.

ED to CAS probably. I’m torn between Columbia and Penn, but I know legacy is really huge for Penn admissions and my dad went to Wharton. I feel like Penn would be a safer choice ED

ED to M&T. I’m so screwed :slight_smile:

does anyone know how important essay scores are on the SAT/ACT?

@pieguy321 thats basically how I feel about LSM. @pbf2016 not that important actually, at least from what I’ve heard from accepted students, adcom, and profs. They’re one of those “hit the threshold and you’re good” schools. The average sat is below the average of most of the other ivies (around 2150), so that’s another indicator that it’s not a huge deal.

@pepenn123 The last average SAT score I saw was 2200. It is definitely not as important as rigor and grades, but with so much competition, a high score can tip the balance a bit. Think of it as one more piece of evidence, like ECs and essays. I would not say it is a huge deal, but it is significant. When there is a lot of competition, every piece of the puzzle matters. If a student has a below average score, then I would hope it isn’t too far below the average, and that there is something else about the candidate that stands out.

I’m an incoming senior and wondering about my chances of getting into the economics program at penn. Am I screwed over by my class rank/GPA/being white?

Tests:
34 ACT (35 E, 33 M, 35 R, 32 S), got a 34 in math on my previous ACT
740 SAT Math II
760 SAT US

APs:
Chem: 3
World History: 4
US: 5
Lang: 5
Human Geo: 5
Calc BC: 5
Comp Sci: 4
Physics C Mechanics: 3

Taking 5 more APs this year in addition to independently studying for the Psych exam.

GPA: 3.85 (unweighted Georgia HOPE GPA)
Only gotten B’s in AP classes’
Got all A’s in 6 AP classes this past year

Extracurriculars:
Varsity Football Sophomore year
Beta Club since junior year (similar to NHS)
M3 Math Challenge this year
Joining robotics team and academic team this year
Co-founder and co-president of Group Study Club at my school (starting this year)
Volunteering at Camp Invention this summer

Misc:
Class rank: 33/265ish (thanks to moving from out of state and not having inflated grades like the rest of my school)
White male
Resident of Georgia
Moved freshman year from California
Most likely taking Calc 2+3 through GA Tech’s distance calculus program this year
Limited financial aid options, no unique features

How is being white going to screw you over

I’m thinking that if I was an ethnic minority I’d have a lot better of a chance.

If you were an ethnic minority you would (statistically) not have the same opportunities afforded to you.

I don’t want to start an argument about affirmative action, I just want to know about my chances of getting in.

@bettyxyp988 I’m also an ED Wharton applicant from Canada :slight_smile:

My guidance counselor told me that colleges look at your application by checking out your GPA/class rank first to see the rigor and compare you to your classmates who may have also applied to the school, then to standardized testing (SATs or ACTs) to see how you compared to the rest of the applying class; some schools put a lot of emphasis on APs (Harvard) because they want to see if you can handle college courses.

Then ECs, Reqs, and Essays are checked out to see the entire profile of a student (how passions pursued through ECs, how a teacher views the student through recs, and how well a student can express himself/herself through essays).

According to her, grades and standardized testing are what open the door for you and ECs, reqs, and essays determine if you are allowed to step in. However, it’s not like a school is going to reject you because you have a bad class rank/GPA, but it won’t help. How is your GPA trend? Does it go up over all 4 years or does it go down? An upwards trend in weighted gpa shows that your course selection gets harder over time and can somewhat negate your unweighted if you have something to show for in your ECs i.e. co-founding a club and varsity sports took up most of your time. Then touch on those activities in your essays and you should be fine.

My weighted GPA has steadily increased and peaked this year. I was considering discussing how I refocused my goals away from athletics and instead towards academics. When I first came to my current school from California, my class rank was 80/265, but I’ve managed to raise it to 33/265 and am most likely going to graduate in the top tenth of my class.

Well it matters more what your percentile is when you apply. And I’d say you have average chances, you have competitive test scores, and a good but not great gpa. However your class rank is really going to hurt especially so if a lot of people from your school are also applying. This is because they will compare your to students from your school. Also your ec’s show no real depth just one or two years per activity is not going to excite the adcom.

Well there’s a high chance that nobody else from my school will apply, so will they compare me to similar schools in my area instead?

No. Applications are looked at per school. If AOs really wanted to know more about the rigor of your schedule and have no one from your school to compare it to, they could always call your guidance counselor.

Anyone know how hard it would be to double major in BBB and PPE and still graduate in 4 years? I’m fascinated by both majors and have looked at the credits and such. It seems logistically possible, but I’m looking for other opinions…

Does anybody know Wharton specific stats? Like how many apps to Wharton/how many accepted? I couldn’t find this on the Penn or Wharton Incoming Class Profile sites. Thanks.