<p>This is to counter the ridiculous thread below mine. Take a look at these pretty numbers:</p>
<p>Let's talk about SATs:
Dartmouth's SAT scores are the same as Penn's. For the class of 2012, Penn's average was 1437, Dartmouth's was 1440. What is that, 1/3 of a question? Not really significant.</p>
<p>Let's talk about high school rank:
98.9% of Penn's incoming class of 2012 was ranked in the top 10% of their high school classes. Dartmouth's class of 2012 was 90.2%. That's a pretty big difference.</p>
<p>Let's talk about ACTs:
Penn:32.5
Dartmouth: 31</p>
<p>A very large difference.</p>
<p>Let's talk about ranking:
Penn has been ranked between 4th and 7th for a decade. Dartmouth is 11th. Nice.</p>
<p>Bottom line - looking at all the info, it certainly appears that Penn is at least as selective - and seemingly much MORE selective - than Dartmouth. So don't let any horrid Dartmouth poseurs tell you otherwise. I'm sick of their nonsense.</p>
<p>and 0-1 to Brown, 3-4 to Stanford, 2-3 Harvard, 1-2 Yale, 5-6 to CIT, 3-5 MIT,
2-3 princeton. 5-10 Cornell, </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Dartmouth College - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)
Dartmouth College
Hanover, New Hampshire
Test Scores
Middle 50% of
First-Year Students Percent Who
Submitted Scores
SAT Critical Reading: 660 - 770 78%
SAT Math: 670 - 780 78%
SAT Writing: 680 - 770 78%
ACT Composite: 29 - 34 22%</p>
<p>[College</a> Search - University of Pennsylvania - Penn - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
College Board code: 2926
Test Scores
Middle 50% of
First-Year Students Percent Who
Submitted Scores
SAT Critical Reading: 650 - 740 94%
SAT Math: 680 - 780 94%
SAT Writing: 670 - 760 94%
ACT Composite: 30 - 33 33%</p>
<p>I hate to get involved with this, but I have to. Maybe someone already said this, but I think Dartmouth had a lower acceptance rate because the application was WAY easier. Penn required a Why Penn essay, an optional autobiographical essay, and a short essay discussing a professor you would like to work with (in addition to the common app essay). Dartmouth, on the other hand, had NOTHING in its supplement. I’ll admit, I almost applied to Dartmouth when my friend told me that. I think this easy supplement encouraged a lot of people to apply to Dartmouth just for the heck of it.</p>
<p>Penn has a larger class size than Dartmouth. Since a lot of these are overlap applicants anyway, it makes sense that Dartmouth has a slightly lower acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Seriously, if you don’t like Penn, don’t go to Penn. And don’t trash it on its own board. Find somewhere else to stroke your ego.</p>
<p>when deciding on which colleges to apply to APART from my first choice (Penn), i was drawn to ones that required very little additional work on my part to get their applications done - its one of the reasons why i chose to apply to columbia and not uchicago …</p>
<p>more shot-in-the-dark applications from less qualified students will come in to dartmouth (than to penn) for example because of how easy it is to apply- apart from a peer evaluation (which someone else completes) and a measly application fee, theres very little disincentive to do so…</p>
<p>if Penn removed their WHy Penn essay requirement im SURE a lot more applicants would apply - yes this would make the selectivity look better - but also make it harder to distinguish between the students who have their heart set on Penn and those who dont…i prefer that selectivity take a hit for a better/more spirited student body…</p>
<p>Just want to add on the pile: Penn had one of the most intensive applications…I was the only person in my school to apply to Penn, while upwards of 100 applied to Columbia and Dartmouth for the hell of it to see if they could get in</p>
<p>i agree with BigPapa, get a life dude. if you spend your day trying to say which college is better and then make a big essay about it after getting into college and need to inflate your ego, then get something useful to do after school</p>
<p>Ruthless2009 - face it, you’re wrong. I literally proved unequivocally that the student quality at Penn is equal at worst, better at best, than those at Dartmouth.</p>
<p>The difference in class size, 2500 at Penn vs 1100 at Dartmouth, make Dartmouth statistically harder to get into. Get over it.</p>
<p>The more I browse CC, the more I realize it’s just full of attention-seeking, egotistical pride-whores. If you got into Penn or Dartmouth congratulate yourself, don’t start arguing which school is “better.” Have you been to both schools? Probably not. </p>
<p>Bottom line, stop showing how insecure you all are. They’re both excellent school, as are many other schools CC puts down just because they’re not HPYSM, or ivy, or oxbridge, etc.</p>
<p>“The difference in class size, 2500 at Penn vs 1100 at Dartmouth, make Dartmouth statistically harder to get into.”</p>
<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>"The more I browse CC, the more I realize it’s just full of attention-seeking, egotistical pride-whores. If you got into Penn or Dartmouth congratulate yourself, don’t start arguing which school is “better.” "</p>
<p>I feel the same way. </p>
<p>Both schools are great schools. One school might be a better fit for one individual, another might be a better fit for another individual. It’s all subjective. End of story.</p>
<p>The stats vary every year. Also selectivity depends on what criterion you are looking at. All the thread just shows is how insecure you are with your college choice. Dartmouth and UPenn are both good; I don’t think people, besides people on CC, really differentiate the two.</p>
<p>How did nobody mention that earlier? The work involved in completing the Penn supplement is way more than that of Harvard, Dartmouth, etc. so there is a reason behind the difference other than that one is just “more selective” than the other…</p>