<p>...or more relevantly, Duke, which is on par with Penn academically but has a student body with significantly more school spirit as well as stronger athletics/social scene. Penn is undoubtebly the school to be at though in the Ivy League if you want to have a well-rounded college expereince.</p>
<p>I was going to say that I just got back from visiting Princeton and they have plenty of school spirit, then I realized that I was confusing "school spirit" with "elitism"</p>
<p>My bad ;)</p>
<p>Just another reason to add as to why I wanna go to Penn : Good experience, specially a fun social life :P</p>
<p>Strawboy, did you get rejected from Penn? are you going to cornell and ****ed off about it? Did the Penn admissions dean come to your house to kick your dog?</p>
<p>Penn is amazing, and their Med School is ranked in the nation's top 3 (i think cornell is ranked 15), and their business school is also top 3 (cornell is 14). Penn's nursing is also ranked 3rd in the nation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php</a>
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php</a>
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/hea/brief/nur_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/hea/brief/nur_brief.php</a></p>
<p>Penn also received over $500 million in research grants from NIH in 2005.
Cornell received roughly half that amount.</p>
<p>Cornell= gorges, suicides, cows, and campus isolation.
Penn= awesome graduate schools, research opps, cool ppl, great restaurants, philly.</p>
<p>Just to add to the thread, and help out those who don't quite know ALL of Penn's virtues, here are a few additional facts. Apologies to those who may have mentioned these items before (and double apologies as we're all mostly preaching to the choir anyway LOL):</p>
<p>Penn Graduate Schools</p>
<p>Half of Penn's schools have ranked in the Top 5 nationally (Wharton, Medicine, Nursing, Dental Medicine, Veterinary Medicine, Communications). Law is ranked #6. Education and Social Work are Top 12. Roughly 1/3 of the departments in SAS are in the Top 10; 1/2 are Top 15. The weak link is the sciences, but Penn is investing heavily in biology and nanotech to shore up its strengths in this area. </p>
<p>In Engineering, the top departments are bioengineering, chemical engineering, and materials engineering/nanotech. All of these departments are Top 10 which is remarkable for a very small school (relative to MIT, Cornell, Stanford, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, etc.)</p>
<p>Among the Ivies, only Harvard matches Penn in terms of the scope and overall quality of its graduate programs (pound for pound Princeton is maybe the best re quality but it's too narrow at the grad level).</p>
<p>Undergrad</p>
<p>Two of Penn's four undergrad schools are indisputatbly #1 (Wharton and Nursing) - excellent programs and no real competition at the ugrad level. SAS and SEAS have many more competitors but are top contenders nonetheless. </p>
<p>Also, unlike the other Ivy Plus schools, Penn actively encourages interdisciplinary research and learning. While that's currently in-fashion among the top schools, Penn has been doing this for at least 25 years. Between the One University policy, established joint degree programs, CURF etc. , Penn is truly at the leading edge in this arena. All this allows Penn to punch above its weight relative to research and learning opportunities.</p>
<p>A prior post mentioned Duke as equal to Penn; that's at bit of a stretch. Duke's a great school, but in humanities they are equal, in social scienes Penn is top and in sciences Penn wins marginally. And Duke has no nursing or business undergrad. Engineering - roughly tied as well, but I believe (though I havent checked US News) Penn stands above Duke. Either way, Penn has the edge.</p>
<p>The ultimate proof of Penn's standing is its regular decision yield for undergrad and its yield for grad schools. I think for ugrad, the standings are roughly:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
MIT
Stanford
Princeton
Penn
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
etc.</p>
<p>For the professional schools, only Stanford and Harvard have consistent yields above Penn for all the equivalent programs.</p>
<p>Finally, Penn has incredible momentum. However you measure it - applications growth, increasing selectivity, growing endowment, global recognition, research funding, etc. - Penn is at the very top of its peer group.</p>
<p>It is simply the best.</p>
<p>Information re Regular Decision Yields (i.e., not inflated by Early admit processes)</p>
<h2>This is from the *********.com site</h2>
<p>Date: April 6th, 2007 11:27 AM
Author: <em>NYCFan</em>
Subject: Projected yield rate, overall and RD - Ivies + 3 for 2011</p>
<p>YIELD: </p>
<p>Harvard: 81% est, 74% RD est; </p>
<p>Yale; 70.9% est, 59% RD est; </p>
<p>Penn: 66.6% est, 52.6% RD est; </p>
<p>Princeton: 69.5% est, 54.8% RD est; </p>
<p>Columbia: 60.3% est, 46.2% RD est; </p>
<p>Dartmouth: 49.9% est, 40% RD est; </p>
<p>Cornell: 52% est, 42.7% RD est; </p>
<p>Brown: 57% est, 46.7% RD est; </p>
<p>Stanford: 66.9% est, 57.7% RD est; </p>
<p>Duke: 41% est, 35.7 RD est; </p>
<p>MIT: 66.5% est (RD rate hard to estimate at this point) </p>
<p>[NOTE: these are preliminary projections, based on admit numbers announced to date, and projected class size targets, w/o changes due to "summer melt" and waitlist use]</p>
<p>Lol. As for preMedguy, you're a moron, I'm currently going to Dartmouth over Harvard/Penn/Cornell/Stanford, and got waitlisted by Pton, which is the only school that I would pick over it. Don't be too full of yourself, Penn isnt that good. The only reason why I applied was so that douchebags like you couldnt say something like OH WELL YOU MUSTA GOTTEN REJECTED.</p>
<p>Right, the only reason you applied was so that you could have a retort to kids on collegeconfidential.com. Sounds like a great investment of $65 and your time to me.</p>
<p>yeah...strawboy's gimmick is starting to lose its luster...it was funny at one point but then stopped doing so</p>
<p>lol at johnnyk's comment... yep, this kid must be MAD smart........</p>
<p>Once the 10 plagues descend on Locust Walk, everyone at Princeton will laugh at you.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Once the 10 plagues descend on Locust Walk, everyone at Princeton will laugh at you.
[/quote]
Why? They still have to be in Jersey. I'd rather take locust and all that other crazy **** rather than be in Jersey.</p>
<p>once you're writing your required senior thesis with nothing to do around your town, ready to shoot yourself (either that or get uselessly stoned/wasted), all of philly and penn will be laughing at you.</p>
<p>Having visited Princeton I can say it would be a wonderful school if only if weren't filled with princetonians</p>
<p>here here well said :) </p>
<p>on a side note, princeton is..closer to...the jersey shore? hurrah hurrah the world's dirtiest water is more accesible to princeton~!</p>
<p>btw, i have a question about harvard? they are so often ranked number 1...but...are they actually best at anything?? penn has business, JHU has the med school and biology/biochem for that matter, MIT/CalTech have engineering, and Columbia is often rated the best for straight liberal arts right? well, actually, i could throw princeton into this question as well: why are those schools always rated 1 and 2 when they arent actually number 1 or 2 in anything. </p>
<p>btw, i made that comment without any research, cause im far too lazy right now to do such. i was just thinking off the top of my head...;)</p>
<p>They're the best at being best.</p>
<p>Harvard's HBS is every bit as good as Penn's Wharton when it comes to business (but not really)</p>
<p>lol ^ right.
but dont tell anybody that</p>
<p>Wharton has the largest, most-published faculty of any business school in the world. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.</p>
<p>i dont have school spirit and i don't think it's the best school in the world although it's good.</p>
<p>
[quote]
"Penn is probably worse than Cornell, making it the worst in the Ivy. Honestly, Penn undergrad BLOWS, the only thing that boosts its rankings is Wharton and its engineering. 20 years ago, Penn was 40 something on US News. And plus, you'll get shot in philly."
[/quote]
</p>
<p>HAHAHA strawboy you are truly a pathetic moronic prick, and I feel sorry for anyone who has to put up with all your bu11sh1t. First of all, re-read your quote above. It has no basis and is simply retarded. </p>
<p>Secondly,
[quote]
"Lol. As for preMedguy, you're a moron, I'm currently going to Dartmouth over Harvard/Penn/Cornell/Stanford, and got waitlisted by Pton, which is the only school that I would pick over it. Don't be too full of yourself, Penn isnt that good."
[/quote]
NONE of this justifies anything you said about Penn being worse than Cornell. You have no clue whatsoever about anything you're saying. The only thing "boosting" its rankings wharton/engineering? And you mention something about rankings 20yrs ago. Ummm...where have you been all this time, you <strong><em>ing *</em></strong>? And everyone can bu11sh1t on CC and make up a list of colleges they got into. And you say that I'm full of myself? Why don't you post a quote that implies any hint or trace of my ego? I was simply stating facts, backed up w/ stats. **"Penn isnt that good" So your saying that, just because someone gets into many schools (which i doubt you did), it makes a school inherently worse?</p>
<p>
[quote]
"The only reason why I applied was so that douchebags like you couldnt say something like OH WELL YOU MUSTA GOTTEN REJECTED."
[/quote]
</p>
<p>WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You're trying to say this is the main reason you applied to Penn? So you actually anticipated that you would log onto CC in the future, go to the Penn forum, say some bu11sh1t about Penn being a bad school(which naturally shows what a moron you are), and p1ss people off? And you knew that someone would accuse you of having been rejected from Penn? And you wanted the satisfaction of being able to say, "Ha! In fact, I did get into Penn!"</p>
<p>strawboy, your reasoning is totally faulty and your bitter comments are based mainly on your spite and anger. Nothing you say makes any sense. Some people just sound smarter when they're not speaking. And you are one of those people. I can honestly say that you are one of the most pathetic and dumb people I've come across, ever. have fun at Cornell, you jackass.</p>