<p>I think Div. II (and even better, Div. III) programs have the right idea. True STUDENT-athletes, rather than athlete-students. Div. III has priorities straight: get in to the school based on your academic achievements, then try out for the team and play sports because you love to play. No $$ for athletics. </p>
<p>Pro football needs to come up with a minor league program that bypasses college football, and doesn’t use colleges as de facto minor leagues.</p>
<p>Didn’t USC get a similiar penalty, and it didnt hurt them that much? Isnt this just the NCAA putting window dressing on the situation?</p>
<p>“Penn State football has basically been reduced to a Div-II team.” Not quite, DII is limited to 36 scholarships, PSU will have 65. As or more damaging to football than the loss of scholarships will be the bowl ban and the way the fine is structured–$12 million per year for 5 years, can’t come out of non-revenue sports. So, basically the fine has to come out of football operating expenses. With a much lowered operating budget and no opportinity for bowls (few top recruit will go to a school where there is no opportunity for post-season play), it will be a long, long time before PSU can compete at a top level. A one year death penalty might have been preferable. Report on CNNSI.com is that Penn State has agreed to this penalty, won’t challenge it.</p>
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<p>Realeducation - no one on these threads has EVER denied the severity of this tragedy or defended the actions of the parties involved. Yes, many people were blind-sided by the role that Paterno had in this, and it has taken some time for those folks to comes to terms with it. But everyone believed that there needed to be some form of harsh punishment. There was just disagreement about what that punishment should be.</p>
<p>What we DO object to is people finding their way to this particular forum for (apparently) the sole purpose of insulting Penn State parents and students. To me, that comes across as mean-spirited and basic bullying.</p>
<p>Good luck to your child at Chicago.</p>
<p>I am (still) a proud Penn State parent.</p>
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Same, here.</p>
<p>Hey, could anyone here could give me their mind on how the NCAA sanctions will affect the academic part of the university?</p>
<p>Also, how would it affect the other sports. Would it affect the intramural or clubs?</p>
<p>Quote: So happy my kid is a University of Chicago Class 2016 member. </p>
<p>Funny, my cousin actually turned down going to the University of Chicago for Penn State. Good school none the less.</p>
<p>Thrill -</p>
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<li><p>I think the NCAA sanctions were minimal. Football will continue and will continue to bully academics.</p></li>
<li><p>The financial penalty is supposed to come out of football only (I thought).</p></li>
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<p>Glad you all agreed, millions of people around the globe also agreed. Nobody is bullying you or Columbia and slippig. We are just stating the facts, and its consequences. I’m here as a concerned mother of a college bound kid, and have a right to express my opinion and sadness in this case. With due respect if you don not like my post, do not read it. Good luck to all Penn State past, present and future students.</p>
<p>I am a parent of a Penn State student and agree there needed to be a harsh punishment. My son attends Penn State solely for the academics. He has been extremely impressed with his professors and the content of his classes. A poster on this thread mentioned the Department of Education’s investigation and how it will also have a huge impact on the university. Can someone please provide more information pertaining to the possible outcomes of this investigation?</p>
<p>Realeducation - no one has denied the “facts” or their necessary “consequences.” </p>
<p>But can’t you see that your comment “Will never send my son to a school like that.” (post #89) is incredibly insulting?</p>
<p>4kids–the US Dept of Education is investigating whether PSU violated the Clery Act, which requires colleges to report crimes. A school that violates this law can be fined (up to $27,50 per incident) and/or lose federal aid funding, including loans, grants and work study. I believe that the US Dept of Ed has never taken away aid funding based on a violation, but it has fined schools. In the past few years, the US Dept of Ed has stepped up Clery Act enforcement quite a bit.</p>
<p>kayf–really hard to see how you can say the sanctions here were minimal. Recruiting is the lifeblood of college football (and other college sports); no bowls and reduced resources will dramatically impact PSU’s recruiting. PSU players are being given the option of transferring, and the schools they go to will get a scholarship waiver, meaning a free extra scholarship. I would guess that there are recruiters on the phone with PSU players right now. These sanctions will gut PSU football for a decade, I don’t know how they could have been any harsher.</p>
<p>thrill–according to reports, the fine cannot come out of non-revenue sports or other university programs, it must come from the football operating budget. So, it should have little direct impact. If football revenue is reduced as a result of these sanctions, which I expect it will be, it will have an impact, as there will be less money to pay for other programs.</p>
<p>I realize that it may sound insensitive and inappropriate, but I am hoping to play soccer at Penn State. Is that a non revenue sport? It participates in Big Ten and everything. Also, do the Big Ten sanctions include all athletic teams of Penn State or just the football team?</p>
<p>Nepop, I say the penalties will have minimal impact as similiar ones didnt seem to hurt USC that much. Yes, some players will go elsewhere, but FOOTBALL at PSU will continue. In a huge stadium. And my guess, same old crowds will cheer.</p>
<p>thrill4rishabh - the sanctions are just for football.</p>
<p>The sanctions here are much worse than they were against USC. 4 year post-season ban vs 2 years for USC; PSU limited to 65 scholarships vs 75 for USC. Only guys headed in to their junior and senior year at USC were allowed to transfer (and not to other PAC 10 schools, the PAC 10 did not waive its 1 year sit out rule). All PSU players are allowed to transfer, inclduing incoming freshman who are being released from their letters of intent. Essentially every kid on the PSU team is now a free agent. I am not sure, but I do not believe there was a scholarship waiver for kids who transferred from USC, i.e., a school had to have an available scholarship for a kid to be able to transfer to that school, the NCAA is talking about waiving the scholarship limit to allow PSU kids to transfer. Also, USC had no or minimal financial penalty. College footbal is an arms race, PSU will have $12 million less per year to spend.</p>
<p>It’s hard to see how fines of $60 million($12 million per year) plus a substantial loss of revenue will not affect non-football programs at Penn State. One site estimated the loss of bowl revenue at about $13 million over 4 years. <a href=“http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/big_ten_penn_state_will_lose_1.html[/url]”>Big Ten: Penn State will lose $13 million in bowl revenue - pennlive.com;
<p>Penn State posted this on its website FAQ:</p>
<p>"Q 17: How important is the football revenue stream to the University?</p>
<p>A: Although football contributes only about 1.6 percent of total annual University operating revenues, football is very important to the University, its student body, its players and its alumni. Football revenues help to support 27 of the 28 other intercollegiate teams, including national championship teams in women’s volleyball, fencing, and wrestling."</p>
<p>See [Penn</a> State: Information Resource - Toward a More Open University](<a href=“http://openness.psu.edu/faq.html]Penn”>http://openness.psu.edu/faq.html)</p>
<p>So how will these other teams be funded? It seems like funding would need to be reduced. If not, and if Penn State continues to fund non-revenue generating sports at previous levels, then cost savings may need to be adopted in academic programs.</p>
<p>In the end, money is fungible, and with this substantial hit to its operating budget, something will have to give. </p>
<p>Penn State might also have to recoup some of the lost revenue through tuition increases, or through accepting more OOS students who pay higher tuition.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there is no way this wont have (probably significant) impact on academics. If you read the NCAA report, it only says that the money for the fine cannot be taken from non-revenue sports and no sponsored athletic teams can be reduced or eliminated. At the press conference this morning, they said they hoped it wouldnt come from academic programs but that PSU would have to figure out where to take the money from. </p>
<p>As I said on another thread, I work for Penn State, and my department was already instituting layoffs and cutbacks for financial reasons way before this Sandusky case came to light. </p>
<p>The combination of these fines and the loss of football revenue (plus their share of Big Ten money), not to mention all of the lawsuit settlements, will be financially devastating to the school. The faculty/staff, facilities and resources that contribute to the high-quality academics all cost a lot of money, and cutbacks will have to be made. </p>
<p>Unfortunately it is the students who will bear the brunt of these sanctions. I wish there would have been a way for the NCAA to fine the administrators directly.</p>
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<p>I agree, it’s terrible that the students will have to suffer.</p>