<p>For those pushing for a suspension of PSU football, I hope you are also pushing for a suspension of Syracuse basketball.</p>
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<p>I don’t believe anyone here is saying that football should be saved “above all.”<br>
Clean house - get rid of the entire coaching staff? You bet. But suspending the program, for me, makes no sense.</p>
<p>Grcxx3: The actions that led to this scandal all eminated from withing the football program. It it time to make a decision on whether PSU is a college with a football program, or a football program with a college. The experiment by Paterno lately has proven to be a failure of values, so time to decide</p>
<p>Seems to me like you’re not willing to accept anything other than Penn State being a college with NO football program.</p>
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<p>Makes me wonder about the intentions/underlying feelings of some people.</p>
<p>Note: grew up with the SEC but was never a big football fan. Still am not. But I just don’t see the value of suspending the program. Makes no sense to me.</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>My other son is looking at colleges now. We’ve spent the last few days researching and reading a lot of student reviews at many D1 colleges. It’s amazing how many of the students (at many different universities) talk about how fun the football games are, how nice it is to be able to escape from classes and have fun at the games, great memories they’re creating, etc. Football is an intergral part of so many universities. Football brings in revenue at many universities. Football has become a major part of university life for many. Whether right or wrong - it’s a fact. The majority of these colleges, just like Penn State, have amazing academics. I think it’s great that there are places where students can have both - a great education in addition to fun football memories. Cancelling a football season at any of these schools isn’t going to change this culture. What happened at Penn State however should, and hopefully will increase everyone’s awareness at all these schools, finding a happy medium where students can have the best of both without any negative consequences.</p>
<p>The reference to the treatment of Muslims after 911 on this board reminded me of how offensive I thought that was at the time. I worked for a company that lost people in our NYC office. I did not work in that office but everyone in our office knew a few from the NYC office and we were heartbroken. Interestingly one of the receptionists at our office was Muslim and I remember the mood being one of protectiveness towards her. I was never interested in vengeance or retribution to the entire Muslim people…and don’t understand what good could have come from targeting Muslims. Did it happen? Sure…did it help us to feel better as a nation and recover? Well…certainly not me. I also never understood the internment of Japanese Americans in WWII…wasn’t alive then but learned about it in history.</p>
<p>Are these fair comparisons? Who knows…just know that the posting of another poster made me think about them and think about the treatment of the current student population at Penn State. They didn’t cause this mess. Will they need to apologize for their connection to Penn State? I sure hope not.</p>
<p>I am a PSU alum and while I don’t live anywhere near PSU I have many co-worker, friends and family members that received a fine education there. The canceling of PSU football will have no personal effect on me as I have never been nor will probably never be a football fan. I simply do not see it as a panacea for the problem. Do I understand that others may see it as the solution? No … I really don’t… but will simply agree to respectfully disagree.</p>
<p>As for the victims…I grieve for their loss of childhood and the violation to their souls. It is heartbreaking what occurred.</p>
<p>USC was shut down for a year … over football scholarships that were too generous.</p>
<p>Now you’re saying that Penn State’s programme should be treated better… when they were complicit to child rape? </p>
<p>Do any people at Penn State have souls?</p>
<p>Since everyone seems to be making comparisons and analogies, I might as well make my own.</p>
<p>With regards to the death penalty repercussions, I can’t help but make the comparison between this and civilians as collateral damage in the War Against Terror in the Middle East.</p>
<p>People that believe that collateral damage is a necessary evil when hunting terrorists are fine with civilian deaths. From others’ perspective, however, (either in the US or those the Middle East) civilians should not be forced to suffer for the sins of terrorists they not only have zero connection to at all, but completely disagree with the actions of the terrorists. </p>
<p>Just a random thought.</p>
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Why am I not surprised the person who said there were 10,000 rioters is making such a terrible generalization?</p>
<p>I have no connection with Penn State, but have a few acquaintances who are alumni. Seeing how they’re absolutely humiliated makes me think that’s enough punishment. Nothing further will be gained by shutting down the football program.</p>
<p>I’m a USC grad. We had this discussion two or three years ago, when the athletic violations that most people suspected were happening finally had to be dealt with. A few people (most of whom had no association with USC) were saying the football program should be shut down, but the great majority felt it was unfair to punish the whole USC community just because the football coaches, athletic director, and university president decided to look the other way. </p>
<p>BTW - USC never had its football program shut down. It was banned from bowl games for two years, and lost some scholarships.</p>
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<p>Wait! You mean evitaperon’s comment “USC was shut down for a year …” was NOT ACCURATE? </p>
<p>LOL! What a surprise!</p>
<p>LOL!!</p>
<p>I was going to post to clarify her USC comments but decided she wasnt worth my time!</p>
<p>Somehow, people’s “humiliation” does not rise to the crimes that were perpetuated around the football program. Child molestation was covered up and ignored by the highest powers in the department. Suspending the program for a year while you try to figure out how to fix this problem does not seem to be too draconian. And the pervasiveness of the problems shows that this is not going to be addressed by quick fixes. what people are seeing is that those in power over the program chose their own self interest over protecting at risk children.</p>
<p>This would be a time for PSU to step up with a new “experiment” to lead the way</p>
<p>This is all so ridiculous. People are complaining that Penn Staters “only care about keeping the football program, and not about the wellbeing of the victims,” but it seems as though they only care about shutting down the football program. Penn State is still one of my top choice schools because of its academics, reputation, school spirit, and how happy the students there are. This scandal seriously upset me and I’m not going to lie, if the football program was shut down I’d be very upset. However, it’s not because i LOVE football, because if that was the case, I could look into Clemson, or Alabama, or some other school of the sort.</p>
<p>What attracted to me to Penn State was that they united like a FAMILY for football. When I watched the pump-up videos on youtube, I felt as though I finally found THE school for me. I’m not sure what I want to be when I’m older, I just know that I want to be happy. And that’s why I love Penn State.</p>
<p>Anyway, to bring this ridiculously long paragraph to a close…yes, the scandal is disgusting, humiliating, and frightening. I pray for the victims and I truly hope Sandusky gets the worst punishment possible, I’d even support the death penalty. Anyone involved? Get rid of them. But as for the school’s reputation and programs? Leave them out of it. Some students are seeking CAREERS from football, don’t ruin it for them.</p>
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<p>Yep, that’s a pretty good summary of the problem.</p>
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<p>And, with the exception of a minority of people (there are always jackasses in every crowd) - students and alums have united to raise money for child abuse awareness and victims. </p>
<p>Can’t find any recent totals of the amount raised for the Blue Out Campaign, but alums have raised over $480,000 in just a couple of weeks. </p>
<p>[#ProudPSUforRAINN</a> | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network](<a href=“http://www.rainn.org/ProudPSUforRAINN]#ProudPSUforRAINN”>#ProudPSUforRAINN Continues to Raise Money for Victims | RAINN)</p>
<p>LasMa, I am not sure where your hatred for Penn State University as a whole is coming from but isn’t all the negativity exhausting you by now?</p>
<p>Grcxx3 -great comments throughout the post.</p>
<p>A few posters who have worn out everyone else on the other Penn State Sandusky thread migrated here to continue their discussion of the ills of Div 1 football in general. I really do not understand their motivation.</p>
<p>Me, neither.</p>
<p>Just talked to one of my Penn State alum friends. Her niece is a freshman there. They spent Thanksgiving together and discussed the very difficult freshman calculus and chemistry courses. Good…we agreed – that’s what the freshman should be worried about. Sounds like the Penn State I remember.</p>