<p>RD apps=26,692 for approx 1250 available spots. Anyone who doesn't see the value of ED should read this.</p>
<p>Not deceptive in the least!!! 100% FACT.The source is the Penn website and yesterdays Daily Penn paper. There are only approx.1250 spots available for class of 2017. That is also a FACT. If you want to incl a margin for yield be my guest. That doesn’t make my post deceptive or inaccurate.If you can’t see the value of ED than I can’t help you.</p>
<p>[Incoming</a> Class Profile - Penn Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/incoming-class-profile]Incoming”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/incoming-class-profile)</p>
<p>Last year, 3935 RD applicants were admitted, and 2465 enrolled. The total RD applicants were 31,218.
Why are they reducing the spots to 1250? That would suck. </p>
<p>Plus, some of us didn’t apply ED because we had no idea what our first choice is.</p>
<p>Incoming class will be approx 2400, Ed accepted 1146, leaving approx1254 spots to fill via RD.</p>
<p>Link the source before I make my brother ballistic.</p>
<p>Hi Arapat , Your misreading the stats, total enrolled incl Ed admits was 2465.Their target net class size is 2400 incl. ED & RD</p>
<p>^Oh, right. Sorry 'bout that. Still, about 2000 RD should be admitted, I think. Because as wallrus said, not all will enroll.</p>
<p>So there’s one applicant more than last year?</p>
<p>^Lolololol, just realized that. So yeah - basically, the same cutthroat level of selectivity as last year. Nothing new.</p>
<p>First, here’s the link to the DP article with the total number of applications for the Class of 2017:</p>
<p>[The</a> Daily Pennsylvanian :: Penn application numbers increase by one](<a href=“http://www.thedp.com/article/2013/01/penn-application-numbers-increase-by-one]The”>Penn application numbers increase by one | The Daily Pennsylvanian)</p>
<p>Second, 2,789 applicants were accepted during the RD round last year out of a RD pool of 27,579 applicants (26,691 RD applicants plus 888 deferred ED applicants):</p>
<p>[Incoming</a> Class Profile - Penn Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/incoming-class-profile]Incoming”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/incoming-class-profile)</p>
<p>Third, 1,000 ED applicants were deferred this year, so the total RD pool for the Class of 2017 is 27,407 appicants (31,219 total applicants minus 4,812 ED applicants plus 1,000 deferred ED applicants):</p>
<p>[The</a> Daily Pennsylvanian :: Early decision admission rates drop by less than 1 percent](<a href=“http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/12/early-decision-admission-rates-drop-by-less-than-one-percent]The”>Early decision admission rates drop by less than 1 percent | The Daily Pennsylvanian)</p>
<p>Fourth, given that 1,196 applicants were accepted during the ED round this year, there will be about 1,224 spaces left to fill to achieve the total target class size of 2,420 (the number Dean Furda has stated as the target on many occasions).</p>
<p>Finally, given that RD yield last year was 47% (1,319 matriculants out of 2,789 RD acceptances), and that the yield rate has remained fairly constant over the past several years, I’d look for about 2,600 applicants to be accepted from the RD pool, for a RD acceptance rate of about 9.5%, and an overall acceptance rate of about 12% (close to that of the last couple of years). Of course, they also could accept a slightly larger number of applicants from the RD pool as a bit of a cushion (the Class of 2016 ended up at 2,465, 45 over the target of 2,420), which would result in slightly higher RD and overall acceptance rates.</p>
<p>Thanks 45% I’m not very good at linking etc. I just don’t understand why some on this site will not accept that your chance of admit ED are better than RD. If you don’t want to apply Ed, that’s fine, but I believe that data proves you have a much better chance ED.</p>
<p>^ Applying ED certainly helps an applicant’s chances–if nothing else, it unequivocally demonstrates that Penn is his/her first choice. But the higher ED acceptance rate (about 24% this year) can be a bit deceiving. Many “hooked” applicants (recruited athletes, legacies, etc.) apply ED. In fact, Penn makes very clear that legacy applicants (applicants with a parent or grandparent who attended Penn) only get an advantage–albeit a diminishing one over the past several years–if they apply ED. So while the average unhooked applicant certainly does increase his/her overall chances by applying ED, it’s probably not as great an increase as the 24%-to-9.5% ratio might imply.</p>
<p>The bottom line, though, is that if you know that Penn is your unequivocal first choice, you definitely should apply ED.</p>
<p>Rebel11 I’m an engineer and data is data, it is obvious that an applicant during the ED round has a much better chance than during RD. Not rocket science here.</p>
<p>Thanks 45% & GTB. I’ve always known the spread isn’t 24% vs 9.5%, and to all the haters I never said it was. But I’m 100% convinced the Ed bump is real & significant. It just seems that some won’t even acknowledge the Ed bump or it’s value.</p>
<p>^ ED obviously has its perks over RD. That cannot be argued against.</p>
<p>But sometimes, the advantage of EDing can be nullified by certain disadvantages. Such as the applicant not having a clear 1st choice, not having all/good test scores, not having essays edited and ready in time, etc. And so many prefer to wait for RD and apply!!</p>
<p>But what people rarely see is that ED has another hidden advantage. In RD, some applicants will get accepted to not one but many schools (usually - most top schools). This reduces the chances of a good(but not the best) applicant, since his/her spot at all the colleges might be taken up by another person. This actually offsets the advantage of yield/enrolled or in another way yield/enrolled offsets the disadvantage posed by the above^!! :)</p>
<p>However, in ED this won’t happen!!</p>
<p>The most interesting part of the announcement was this:</p>
<p>"Furda also said that there is broad diversity in this year’s applicant pool – geographically, racially and socioeconomically. </p>
<p>He credits this partially to the ongoing Penn-Knowledge is Power Program Partnership, a program in its first year that works to identify and recruit students from underserved areas. Already, eight students have been admitted post-early decision to Penn’s Class of 2017 through the KIPP partnership, which operates mostly in the Texas area."</p>
<p>It sounds like Penn is using sources other than Questbridge to identify disadvantaged students.</p>
<p>Good luck to all the RD applicants. If Penn is your number one, I hope you were successful in convincing admissions and I hope all those waiting on decisions get what they truly want.</p>
<p>I’m inspired by many of the young people with how hard you work to get into a great school and I wish there was a spot for a lot more of you at your school of choice.</p>
<p>For some, this may be the first time that you don’t get your way. You give it your all and experience rejection forthe first time. How you handle it will determine your future as much as if you were accepted. Be at peace and deal gracefully with it and move forward.</p>
<p>All the best to the RD applicants!</p>
<p>I wish I could have applied ED, but I didn’t start the application process early enough to be able to do so.</p>
<p>I also don’t think I made it very clear that Penn was my first choice.</p>
<p>It brings up a point. It’s a lot of pressure to put on kids to be ready to apply early decision plus there are benefits to ED that even many parents aren’t aware of. I’ve seen kids that want to apply ED but parents disallow it because they want to keep options open or whatever. High schools need to do more to educate kids and parents about the ins and outs. The number two kid at my Ds high school has a number 1 school but applied RD because he didn’t know the advantages and disadvantages. Scandalous.</p>
<p>Hey guys, I’m the reporter who wrote the article on Penn’s app numbers for The DP. Are any of you willing to be quoted in a follow-up article exploring Penn’s app numbers in comparison to its peer schools? If so, feel free to email me at <a href=“mailto:mamic@sas.upenn.edu”>mamic@sas.upenn.edu</a>.</p>