<p>I agree that Michigan is a top school, but it may be a stretch to say it’s Ivy league caliber.</p>
<p>Look at the peer assessment scores. Michigan is definitely on par with the Ivy league in terms of academic quality. Maybe not on par with HYP, but definitely on par with Cornell, Brown and Penn. Most of Michigan’s programs rank in the top 10 or top 15. All public schools suffer in the rankings. Look at Berkeley. That school is Ivy League caliber, but look at the ranking. #21. Look at Penn #4. Give me a break. Penn is a good university, but it isn’t THAT good. Penn is full of *<strong><em>. 99% of the student body is in the top 10? Give me a *</em></strong>ing break.</p>
<p>Who revived this old thread?</p>
<p>Soo, what university did you pick? O_O</p>
<p>^^^Look at PA scores. It’s definitely up there with any Ivy League school that isn’t HY Or Princeton.</p>
<p>Actually daman, the Ivy League was established in 1950. By that time, there were literally hundreds of universities in the Northeast. Penn was founded in 1740 and by 1850, a full century before the Ivy League was even created, it was already considered one of the top 10 universities in the US.</p>
<p>jrt, it is not a stretch to say that Michigan is Ivy League caliber, but it must be specified that Michigan is not similar to most Ivies, save Cornell and Penn. In terms of quality, Michigan is clearly of that caliber. Its peer assessment score of 4.4 proves that at least according to the experts, Michigan is on par with 5 of the 8 Ivies in terms of undergraduate academic quality. Below are the latest Peer Assesment ratings of Michigan and those 5 Ivies:</p>
<p>Columbia: 4.6/5.0
Cornell: 4.5/5.0
Penn: 4.5/5.0
Brown: 4.4/5.0
Dartmouth: 4.3/5.0</p>
<p>Michigan: 4.4/5.0</p>
<p>But Michigan has nothing in common with Brown and Dartmouth and is significantly different than Columbia. HYP are in a league of their own, even within the Ivy League. So comparing Michigan to the Ivies must always be qualified. Michigan is similar in quality, but unless we are talking about Cornell and Penn, shares little else in common with the Ivy League.</p>
<p>^Doesn’t US News also have rankings for the quality of undergraduate education? (Not the overall ranking)</p>
<p>Yes ab, but I would not put too much faith in that ranking, even if Michigan was ranked #11 in the nation.</p>
<p>Here’s one for undergraduate teaching:</p>
<p>[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank)</p>
<p>Can someone post a link of the peer assessment ranking?</p>
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<p>Not what I was looking for … that rates how their college of education is.</p>
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<p>I believe you get that by paying US News $15 or something like that, but I would never pay them that kind of money.</p>
<p>ab2013, this is their description of that ranking:</p>
<p>“Many colleges have a strong commitment to teaching undergraduates over graduate-level research. The schools on these lists are noted by college administrators as paying a particular focus on undergraduate teaching.”</p>
<p>EEEK I totally forgot to click on the link. Whoooops my bad. (Sorry I’m pretty much ready to sleep at this point, QwertyKey)</p>
<p>Hmmm I thought Brown used to be #1 for undergrad teaching. Oh well.</p>
<p>Entertainer, I cannot post a link to the Peer Assessment ratings because they are proprietary. However, I can list the universities with the top Peer Assessment ratings:</p>
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<li> Harvard University 4.9/5.0</li>
<li> Massachusetts Institute of Technology 4.9/5.0</li>
<li> Princeton University 4.9/5.0</li>
<li> Stanford University 4.9/5.0</li>
<li> Yale University 4.8/5.0</li>
<li> University of California-Berkeley 4.7/5.0</li>
<li> California Institute of Technology 4.6/5.0</li>
<li> Columbia University 4.6/5.0</li>
<li> University of Chicago 4.6/5.0</li>
<li>Cornell University 4.5/5.0</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University 4.5/5.0</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania 4.5/5.0</li>
<li>Brown University 4.4/5.0</li>
<li>Duke University 4.4/5.0</li>
<li>University of Michigan-Ann arbor 4.4/5.0</li>
<li>Dartmouth College 4.3/5.0</li>
<li>Northwestern University 4.3/5.0</li>
<li>University of Virginia 4.3/5.0</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon University 4.2/5.0</li>
<li>University of California-Los Angeles 4.2/5.0</li>
<li>University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 4.1/5.0</li>
<li>University of Wisconsin-Madison 4.1/5.0</li>
<li>Washington University-St Louis 4.1/5.0</li>
<li>Emory University 4.0/5.0</li>
<li>Georgetown University 4.0/5.0</li>
<li>Georgia Institute of Technology 4.0/5.0</li>
<li>Rice University 4.0/5.0</li>
<li>University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign 4.0/5.0</li>
<li>Vanderbilt University 4.0/5.0</li>
<li>University of Southern Califirnia 3.9/5.0</li>
<li>University of Texas-Austin 3.9/5.0</li>
<li>College of William & Mary 3.8/5.0</li>
<li>New University 3.8/5.0</li>
<li>Pennsylvania State University-University Park 3.8/5.0</li>
<li>University of California-Davis 3.8/5.0</li>
<li>University of California-San Diego 3.8/5.0</li>
<li>University of Notre Dame 3.8/5.0</li>
<li>University of Washington 3.8/5.0</li>
</ol>
<p>Michigan fares well against the competition. I also thought Cornell was the “worst” ivy. Seems like thats false. I really like this list. Its an accurate depiction of how academically potent these universities really are.</p>
<p>^There is NO “worst” Ivy. All the Ivies are already amazing. It angers me to hear of people saying “Brown is the worst Ivy” Or Cornell for that matter. It’s okay if someone said that about Dartmouth though. (jk)</p>
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I have to disagree with this statement. Michigan engineering is not just “slightly” better than Penn. Let’s look at the facts:</p>
<p>USNWR Overall Engineering Ranking:
Michigan #7 (peer assessment: 4.3)
Penn #26 (peer assessment: 3.5)</p>
<p>USNWR Mechanical Engineering Ranking:
Michigan #3
Penn - not ranked</p>
<p>National Academy of Engineering:
Michigan = 22
Penn = 7</p>
<p>Michigan has better engineering recruiting, stronger alumni network and industry connection. It is not just slightly better.</p>
<p>It’s funny how times change or at least how US News skews perceptions. When I was in high school in the 90s and my cousin was at Dartmouth, she used to chant “Safety School! Safety School” at Dartmouth-Penn football games. She told me all the kids at Dartmouth and the other Ivies did that to Penn students. Penn back then was regarded as one of the “worst” ivies, i.e. a safety school.</p>
<p>Penn is a great school, especially Wharton, but for US News to rank it on the same level as Stanford and MIT is absurd IMO. </p>
<p>Michigan and Penn are comparable schools on many levels. Penn is better in some areas and Michigan is better in others. Michigan is definitely better for engineering though.</p>
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<p>It’d be interesting if people at UofM started chanting that at Ohio State or MSU games.</p>
<p>And really, I was joking about Dartmouth … I know it is an amazing school.</p>
<p>It’s almost insane to incur loads of debt for a lowly ranked engineering program when you can go to a much higher-ranked program debt free. Make sure you understand what those debts actually mean (PV and annuity). I don’t go to Mich and I am giving a totally unbiased opinion, as a former engineer!</p>
<p>dude mich engineering vs penn engineering? common dude the answer is pretty easy specially if the latter is so much more pricey too. Unless you wanna do like banking or something mich is clearly the best answer.</p>