Penn vs. Cornell

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<p>Don't bother replying to that guy.</p>

<p>"Old 04-05-2008, 10:51 PM #21
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<p>I'd go with Pamona.
I live in Philly, and UPenn is not so wonderful.
I'm actually trying to choose right now between going to UVA and UPenn, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to UVA, even though UPenn is an ivy and has a bit more prestige. The attention to undergrad at UPenn is disconcerting and a lot of the professors don't even like teaching anyone but MBA students."</p>

<p>But a few posts later he immediately goes onto defend UPenn.</p>

<p>And honestly it really depends on what you want to go in. If you get into Wharton...then UPenn is more prestigious.. however if you A&S or Engineering, then Cornell is definitely more prestigious.</p>

<p>EDIT: Also, both are ivy, so prestige is really out of the question unless you're in Wharton... anything besides business Cornell is just as good or better than UPenn.</p>

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<p>why dont you apply regular to wharton, if u dont get in...there's always cornell? (though aem is highly selective)</p>

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<p>Hmm.. I wonder where that post went Seniors08.</p>

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<p>That was actually before I visited the schools and stayed a night, Lollerpants. Guess what. I chose Penn, and I did for a reason. I was sure I was gonna take UVA until I actually stayed on Penn's campus during the school year. Notice the date of the post.
Before Penn Previous.
It's okay I accept your apology.
Stop stalkin yo.</p>

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<p>sometimes this place is worse than juicy campus</p>

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<p>You live in Philly.... but never visited UPenn... or never thought of attending a class..</p>

<p>It's okay, I forgive you for your strange behavior too.</p>

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<p>Wharton is Penn's prestige, you don't hear about their other schools. Cornell is just as good or better at everything else and even then The School of Hotel Administration isn't too shabby.</p>

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<p>yup...one school at penn might be prestigious...but all the other schools on cornell's campus combined give a better inter-disciplinary feel :)</p>

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<p>I plan to apply to CAS at either school. If I went to Penn, I would dual degree with Wharton and Penn if I could transfer in.</p>

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<p>CAS isnt very inter-disciplinary at cornell...</p>

<p>what are your career interests anyways?</p>

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Oh and if you think Cornell's party scene > Penn's... HAHAHAHAHH. Funny if not for the obvious reason that we have a huge city and other universities to party in. Not that Cornell's party scene is bad.. just limited by its location compared to Penn.

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<p>Please. A Penn student wouldn't know a party if slapped them in the face. They are all too busy figuring out how to get a Wall Street internship.</p>

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<p>Pwnt.</p>

<p>I find it funny how someone is making claims when he hasn't even attended either school (yet).</p>

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<p>I was going to start a thread like this... until I saw this one. I hope students at both these schools aren't so silly... but anyway...
I'm applying ED to either Penn CAS or Cornell CAS... I had a specific question though. What school's student body is more into sports/rivalry?</p>

<p>In response to other people's posts, I live in Minnesota and Penn in general is easily thought of as more prestigious than Cornell... although Cornell is very highly regarded as well considering it's an Ivy League. Not many people at my school know about Wharton so it's not really a factor.
But if someone could answer my question... I'll leave and never return=)</p>

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<p>If you actually think CC is any representation of a whole student body that's just as narrow minded of you, just saying.</p>

<p>I mean...this is Ivy... as far as sports go it's never going to be AS competitive as outside of Ivy. And also, you should expect a fair amount of bias in this forum because you ARE asking this in the Cornell forum..</p>

<p>But as to what I know, is that Cornell is big on hockey, contrary to many other Ivy league schools, and not AS big on the other sports.</p>

<p>Though....personally speaking I don't think that's a good reason to apply/attend either, but to each his/her own..</p>

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Lmao... How pathetic an attack. Unless this poster was serious, in which case they should be checked for some kind of paranoia disorder.

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<p>I was serious. I did not feel safe at Penn. I felt pretty safe at Cornell though. I will apply Cornell ED instead of Penn ED. Sorry~ And also... internationally, Cornell is more prestigious, especially in Asia. When I was five, I did not even know U of Penn was in the Ivy League (didn't even hear about that school LOL). My family members (in Taiwan) are all farmers, and they all have heard of Cornell. I grew up listening to the name Cornell. I think Cornell's prevalent prestige is more apparent in Asia due to its agriculture-dependent economy (just to be fair to Penn as well).</p>

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<p>Lollerpants.. I was being sarcastic.. chill out.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info.</p>

<p>It is not the only good reason I have for wanting to apply/attend both, but I do want college sports to be a part of my life wherever I end up as I think it is fun.</p>

<p>It's hard to get a simple answer out of people here without a sprinkle of mean =( Thanks for the answer though.</p>

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<p>Shifu, Cornell is more well known in Asia? Hahah funny how this world works where one university can be more prestigious than another in its home country, and less in foreign ones. Whatever they are both ivies and good, so cool beans.</p>

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<p>Sarcasm is quite hard to tell online, sorry if I seemed uptight on that but that did seem serious.</p>

<p>Cornell is actually extremely well known in China for various reasons, one because the former president of Taiwan (who was very disliked in China) attended Cornell in CALS? I don't remember. But also Cornell does have some ties with China back in the day, if I remember correctly.</p>

<p>UPenn on the other hand, is only known for Wharton in China.</p>

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Cornell is actually extremely well known in China for various reasons, one because the former president of Taiwan (who was very disliked in China) attended Cornell in CALS? I don't remember. But also Cornell does have some ties with China back in the day, if I remember correctly.

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<p>Correct. Former Taiwanese president President Lee got his PhD in Agriculture Economy from CALS. He is an honorary student of Cornell University. His paper still serves great importance for Taiwan's and America's agricultural economy, and acted as economic foundation in Taiwan during his term. President Lee belonged to a Communist Party when he was young. LMAO. China did not (and still does not) like him because he tested newly invented missiles in late 90's and formed closer ties with Japan. I did my research :D.</p>

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<p>Largely due to the ascension of Wharton and the gentrification of Philly's Center City, Penn has enjoyed an improved reputation over the last fifteen years. There was a time when Brown and Penn were considered to be the lower rung of the Ivy League in terms of selectivity and academics. That's not really the case today.</p>

<p>On the flip side, Cornell has held strong in many areas, but has been hurt by waning state support for the statutory units. This has hurt research and facilities most, and has manifested itself into lower selectivity as well.</p>

<p>Personally, the two universities are a wash. Cornell is better in the natural sciences and engineering fields. Penn is better in the social sciences. Cornell better in the niche disciplines (architecture, hotel, agriculture, food science, textiles, etc.) and Penn is better in management. They two are functionally the same when it comes to the arts and humanities, perhaps with a slight edge to Cornell.</p>

<p>And no, there is no difference between the quality of the student body after controlling across the different disciplines.</p>

<p>Cornell does have more of an international pedigree simply due to its reputation in the hard sciences. The social sciences and the humanities simply do not travel as far as basic research in the physical sciences. But it also has more of an international flavor, e.g. connections to the Dali Lama, Council on Foreign Relations, etc.</p>

<p>And, no. Penn does not have a better party scene than Cornell. Cornell not only has a larger Greek system and a more down to earth student body, but also has a much higher percentage of undergraduates living off-campus in Collegetown houses, not dorms or stuffy apartments. This means that you can have larger, less regulated parties on a weekly basis. Sure, maybe Philly has more bars than Ithaca, but they are not near Penn's campus, and it's not like kids under 21 frequent the bars all that much either. News flash: Undergraduates tend to stay close to campus. Especially in Philly. At night. </p>

<p>As for the sporting scene? I would be amiss if I didn't mention Penn's contributions to Ivy sports. Penn Relays and the Penn-Princeton basketball rivalry are gems. (Even if Penn's glory days in basketball will be forever tainted with an asterisk for some suspect admissions decisions.)</p>

<p>But, again, Cornell trumps. Cornell's Marching Band and Pep Band are well known across the league for being the most vocal and ardent supporters of their team, and the traditions are unparalleled. Not only does Cornell have one of the most loyal fan bases for any sport in the country (the Lynah Faithful), but Cornell also has a very strong following for wrestling and lacrosse as well. Attend any Cornell-Penn wrestling or lacrosse game in Philly and there will be more Cornell fans present than Penn fans. Which, come to think about it, was the same situation as happened at the Palestra this year when Penn lost to Cornell in basketball. And Penn basketball fans are supposed to be the most loyal in the league!</p>

<p>I would love to see how many fans Penn is able to get into the Palestra after a couple of more years without an Ivy title.</p>