<p>NCAA Football 2006 -- good game. :D</p>
<p>A very good game (Penn sucks tho compared to the D-1 schools, but I just owned Princeton the other night so it's all good). </p>
<p>Princeton is definately our rival. DEFINATELY. Cornell is also important when it comes to football.</p>
<p>I can't wait to tear up the Palestra and Franklin Field.</p>
<p>I need to start an anti-Penn State slogan or shirt b/c I'm sick of the confusion. Something like...
"The difference between the Ivy League and Big 10...We know how to count in the Ivy League"....I know my sports aficionados will understand that one. That shirt would kick @$$.</p>
<p>there are the "not penn state" shirts.</p>
<p>yeah, but I want something more...insulting, lol.</p>
<p>Anyone who says that there is no rivalry between Penn and Princeton is a complete moron and knows nothing about Ivy League rivalries.</p>
<p>The best game ever was this year's OT win over Princeton in basketball. Penn was down like 15 points with like 3 minutes left and we came back to tie it and win it in OT. To the incoming freshman - you definitely want to be a part of the Red and Blue Crew.</p>
<p>18 points in 7 minutes. But close. </p>
<p>Besides, it was as much predicated on Penn being resilient as it was on Princeton being a bunch of dumb hacks. Seriously, if you watch the tape, the 2nd half of that 7 point stretch by Oz involved a move that would make a linebacker proud.</p>
<p>But god, when Begs stripped the ball from Judson "We're gonna win every game from here" Wallace... I nearly passed out.</p>
<p>I think people fail to realize that rivalries don't stop just because one school is considered better. For instance, as PITS pointed out, Stanford and Cal have a very heated rivalry even though Stanford has more prestige. This rivalry has been around for over 100 years, and many of those years Cal was thought as the better school (stanford's rise to prominence is fairly recent). Even when Cal had more prestige, the rivalry continued because its tradition.</p>
<p>there's a definite, mutual rivalry between the two schools in men's basketball, and something <em>approaching</em> a mutual rivalry in football (although princeton hasn't beaten penn in years, the alumni stilll care). any other rivalry, to the extent that it exists, flows in one direction, from west philadelphia and across the delaware. speaking from the princeton side, there really isn't any <em>general</em> animosity at princeton toward penn or its students. you won't, for example, see any "puck fenn" tees.</p>
<p>That will change when Penn hits #3 on US News. ;)</p>
<p>GentlemanandScholar- rivalries are NOT based primarily on prestige. The Big Game record is 54-42-11 in Stanford's favor. Thus, Stanford's rise is not recent. Actually, recently Cal has been a lot better than Stanford (Jeff Tedford is awesome). Plus, they had The Play. Check out what Stanford students created and even distributed on the Cal campus after the game here <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/group/axecomm/history/daily_cal_82.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.stanford.edu/group/axecomm/history/daily_cal_82.html</a>. That definitely was not based off prestige. Plus, Cal and USF (San Fran) have had (still have?) a big rivalry in basketball. I seriously doubt that one is all about prestige.</p>
<p>GoldDuck, the poster was, I believe, implying that a school thats not on par (prestige wise) with another can't be rivals. Thus, stanford's Big Game record doesn't really appy, as there are many (if not most) schools that are less than stellar academically, but great in sports. And maybe in the past there was, but now there is no rivalry with USF for basketball or anything else. As far as the link, unless Stanford made a mock-up themselves, that looks to be the daily cal, which is the Berkeley paper and doesn't need to be distributed by stanford on the Cal campus.</p>
<p>Ah, I thought you were making the areguement that rivalries were based on presitige, not breaking it down. Sorry. However, my point remains that Big Game records trump any prestige changes for the schools in question as far as the rivalries go. As for USF, I couldn't say about the present, but I know that it was a rivalry at one time.</p>
<p>Also, you are correct that Stanford students created a fake Daily Californian and thus distributed it. Cal (and the Daily Cal, as well as most people outside of Palo Alto) believed then and still believe the score to be 25-20.</p>