<p><strong><em>Well, I guess they haven't technically lied about their lack of accreditation (the students did because they were told to by administrators, which is pretty darn close)..just kept it very quiet.</em></strong></p>
<p>And thie ^^ is a christian moral?? my my</p>
<p>I'm stunned that PCC could be even more authoritarian than BJU.</p>
<p>Telling students to lie is not right either. </p>
<p>What if Duke's administration told the lacrosse players to lie about their involvement at the party? Do you think this would be excused by the public and authorities?</p>
<p>Pensacola Christian College is claiming to offer an engineering program in mechanical and electrical engineering, yet:
1. Still no accreditation. With no accreditation, a graduate of this institution can NOT get a professional engineering license in ANY state. Accreditation for such a program must be from ABET (got wrong certification group, NCEES does write the exam)
2. Since my degree is in electrical engineering, I took a look at the curriculum. Typically in a good engineering school, there are choices in which to specialize in. Power systems, communications systems (which can be heavy in RF), computer systems, and control systems (which is my expertise, and control systems can also involve other engineering disciplines) are typical. No such at PCC, just a rigid syllabus.
If anyone here is considering engineering, I would not recommend this school</p>
<p>gkm-pe
New Jersey Institute of Technology 1979 (BSEE)
Registered Professional Engineer (Texas)</p>
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Pensacola Christian College is claiming to offer an engineering program in mechanical and electrical engineering, yet:
1. Still no accreditation. With no accreditation, a graduate of this institution can NOT get a professional engineering license in ANY state. Accreditation for such a program must be from ABET (got wrong certification group, NCEES does write the exam)
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Actually, not all states strictly require ABET degrees for the PE license. Some states do. But in other states, ABET degrees are only preferred, not required; it's possible to qualify for the PE exam without one, as long as you get additional work experience to compensate. </p>
<p>In California, for example, ABET degree holders qualify for the PE exam after two years of acceptable work experience (or after just one year if they also have a graduate degree). But anyone -- even with no college degree of any kind -- can still qualify for the PE exam after six years of acceptable work experience.</p>
<p>In fact, Texas (where you are registered) is another example. You can qualify for the PE exam with a non-ABET engineering degree and 8 years experience, as shown [url=<a href="http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us/pe_evaluator.htm%5Dhere%5B/url">http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us/pe_evaluator.htm]here[/url</a>].</p>
<p>So technically, it would be possible for a PCC engineering grad to get licensed in certain states. Not Florida though; Florida strictly requires ABET degrees. And so do many employers. PCC is not acting ethically if they fail to disclose these facts to their engineering students.</p>
<p>I agree with your basic conclusion: I would recommend that engineering students look elsewhere.</p>
<p>wow.. so that's what PCC is (I've seen the abbreviation before.. didn't know what it was). Kind of scary.. though apparently there are some who like that kind of place?..</p>
<p>"while it is ridiculous and awful sounding- as long as it's someone's choice to go there and they're not forced, i see nothing wrong with it."</p>
<p>i agree totally. and no it has nothing to do with the "power of the Christian right."</p>
<p>Not picking on you Guido, but I do want to say as a citizen in the city of Pensacola, Florida...PLEASE, PCC is not Pensacola, Pensacola is a city, geographic area, not a crazed, fundemental, christian dictatorship.</p>
<p>Many Pensacolians abhor this institution and it really is not referred to often or paid attention to until you see and hear the Bible bangers yelling at you because you decided to go to McGuire's for dinner (a local family restaraunt that just for laughs has "Debauchery" in its slogan...mainly because they give out generous portions)</p>
<p>Pensacola is full of forward thinking citizens that are intelligent, well educated and respects others, including this institution though what they do behind its walls I do not agree with.</p>
<p>I have friends that went to school here, most dropped out and still do not have college degrees, but make good livings. This place can really screw up your head and your ability to relate to others.</p>
<p>I went to the academy for kindergarten, great start, but my parents pulled my out of there after kindergarten graduation b/c they did not agree with the rules (rules for even 5 year olds).</p>
<p>Let PCC do what it wants and if people want to go there, good for them...but PLEASE remember...PCC is NOT Pensacola, Florida.</p>
<p>I've spent a few days at BJU and PCC my senior year, and I really considered Bob Jones for a while before going to a smaller Chrisitan college closer to home. PCC is a beautiful campus with excellent facilites, rooms, and dining halls, for only 5K a year. If you want a cheap Christian college but still with a large student body, PCC sounds VERY attractive, and the large ammounts of rules really seems worth it. The dining hall there is freaking amazing. Crown Centre (I think that's what it's called), the church building, is simply stunning.</p>
<p>BJU is much smaller, and in my opinion, better. The people there are MUCH more down to earth, and the rules aren't near as bad / really aren't enforced much. In PCC, if it says that in a rule, you better do it/not do it.</p>
<p>The best part about these places is that theyre CHRISTIAN. If you're not Christian, don't go there. That simple. To a Christian, the idea of not having to worry about sexiled/drunken bastards/dirtbags is great. </p>
<p>You guys talk about the 'far chrisitan right' the way we talk of the 'far baby killing/zomg soldiers are dying RUN AWAY!!!11 left'. Sound retarded? Well, so do you.</p>
<p>Anyways, I can definately see myself at BJU, while I wouldn't be caught dead at the uber-liberal UC-Berkely, even if it is a great school.</p>
<p>and lmao @ whoever said PCC is hypocritical because they serve shellfish. Christians and Jews are not the same.</p>
<p>PCC is hypocritical because they claim to be serving the Lord and stress Christian morals/values but treat their students no better than prison inmates. They also promote lying and misdirection. I mean, at least tell applicants the truth about the college instead of letting good-hearted Christians waste their money and the prime of their life at a college that is more or less irrelevant in the real world.</p>
<p>I've always thought having so many strict rules about every little thing is weird because...theoretically if you want to go to one of these schools, you're a good moral Christian and you already 'follow' the rules of your own accord to begin with. It's like they're saying that they don't trust you, like they just know that you're going to run around and do horrible things if they're not standing in the shadows watching everything. I'd probably find it kind of insulting, personally.</p>
<p>Of course Christians and Jews are not the same -- you don't spend 8 years being educated by Jesuits and not figure that out. </p>
<p>But the selective determination by some evangelicals of what to believe from the Bible and what not to believe and force that on people just frosts me.</p>
<p>The administration at PCC establishes a set of draconian rules based on how it interprets the Bible.</p>
<p>Here is the first Article of Faith about the how the school is run from its website “We believe that the Bible is the verbally inspired and infallible, authoritative Word of God and that God gave the words of Scripture by inspiration without error in the original autographs.”</p>
<p>You can’t believe that the Bible is the verbally inspired and infallible, authoritative Word of God without error, but then conveniently act as if Leviticus doesn't even exist. You can't have it both ways. The syllogism doesn't work. </p>
<p>It is not about being Christian or Jew it is about being intellectually honest.</p>
<p>Why can’t they just say, “We are going to believe the parts of the Bible we like and ignore the parts we don’t like”, just like every other Christian sect does. </p>
<p>They are just the same as the liberal Episcopalians reading into the scripture what serves their purposes.</p>
<p>BlahDeBlah- That's exactly what I thought. If one chooses to go to a school as notoriously stringent as PCC, one probably doesn't need the crazy rules. It's not a military school for wayward teens, its a strict christian college with presumably christian students who are in line with it's culture. And really, I suspect that if a student didn't agree with those rules, they would choose to go elsewhere. </p>
<p>The only people the rules really do anything for are the students whose parents sent them there without a choice. Without consent PCC could very well feel like a reform school.</p>
<p>A few things...
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The most disturbing part of the application, though, is how "Have you ever seen a pyschologist?" is in the same category as drug use and criminal record.
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No, it's not. If you are very faithful, however, you would probably go to your priest or pastor for psychological counseling. I'm an atheist but have often thought that modern psychology is a poor substitute for the guidance of a church.</p>
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<li><p>A lot of schools have non-ABET accredited programmes. Harvard is one of them. :) </p></li>
<li><p>Agree with LFWB Dad. Sooner or later, you have to be intellectually honest about what you are teaching. It also is a great opportunity to express WHY certain passages are ignored. </p></li>
<li><p>Yes, if you follow the Bible, you would not eat pork nor shellfish. Very few modern Christians follow that rule - Catholics do get into the fake "no meat on Fridays" rule, though.</p></li>
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<p>No meat on Fridays has nothing to do with meat coming from an "unclean" animal. All it is supposed to be is a small personal sacrifice. After Vatican II, the rule was relaxed to be no meat on Fridays during Lent. It used to be all Fridays throughout the year.</p>
<p>In my mind, education stands in absolute opposition to dogmatism and sectarianism; I can't understand on what you get at PCC can be classified as an education. The very idea of higher education is a humanistic idea.</p>
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2. A lot of schools have non-ABET accredited programmes. Harvard is one of them.
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<p>Well, Harvard lets you choose between their ABET accredited track and their non-accredited track. Students realize which is which and choose based on person preference. A person who wants to study engineering and then be, say, an investment banker can choose the non-ABET track, whereas a hardcore engineer can go the ABET track.</p>
<p>Sure, if you want to go to PCC, study engineering, and then become a priest, lovely. But what if you want to become a legitimate engineer? Shouldn't you at least (a) have a choice between an ABET and non-ABET track, or (b) be informed by PCC that their engineering program isn't for engineers at all?</p>
<p>That's just basic decency.</p>
<p>Priests don't get their education at PCC.</p>
<p>Their rules one opposite gender relatiosn seem partiocularly peculiar. Isnt the church suppose dto be anti-homosexual?</p>
<p>Well what better way to create more homosexuality than making guys live together without the prospect of ever touching or even looking at a girl? It happens in jails, and its going to happen there.</p>
<p>This all sounds way too unreal. it feels like it could be a setting to a interesting movie were an average joe is sent to such place and how he kinda changes the minds of all the students. footlose meets 1984 meets Animal house...</p>