<p>Only Orthodox Jews hold to those laws-notwistanding that these laws were only ever intended for God's chosen people and never repeated or enforced upon anyone in the New Testament. Please read the Bible carefully before commenting on it.</p>
<p>reading the bible, it is not about reading the bible, it is all in the interpretation of it and as we can see throughout thousands of years of that, the words can be taken many different ways</p>
<p>This place sounds like some nazi death camp...worse. If you're going to treat your students like dogs, at least let them keep their dignity...</p>
<p>Um, how is that like a Nazi death camp? I really think that many of those interred at Auschwitz would have liked to be able to practice their religion (whoops, wait, they were in there because they practiced their religion), eat, learn, and not be used for slave labour or sport. I'm sure they would have loved to be "kicked out" and allowed to re-enter the world.</p>
<p>See, the students are adults and volunteering for this. You could just as easily say that the culture at many schools is not conducive to keeping your dignity - drinking, hooking up, drug use, all-night partying. Yet it's so accepted that we don't see any issues with it. If people want an education that reflects their morality, let them have it. That's part of living in a free country; some people want to surround themselves with like-minded individuals. Forget the Kool-Aid about "college is where you meet different people." Most elite colleges are economically and ideologically homogeneous.</p>
<p>Well....PCC isn't an elite college. And I don't see Harvard treating their undergrads like they're 5.</p>
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<li><p>Never said that it was. Just saying that it's not necessarily any worse ideologically.</p></li>
<li><p>I don't see it as undergrads being treated like they are five; they are expected to adhere to certain rules. I've gone to schools with very strict honour codes, which is certainly an interference in one's normal running of one's life, but is immensely helpful to the school atmosphere. I've also gone to schools where the teachers treat you like you are five. I remember one girl had overlapping math exams (scheduled duing the open block, simultaneously). They let her take them one after the other, but would not let her leave the room (even for water or a bathroom break in between) because they didn't want her talking to someone who had already taken the test.</p></li>
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<p>are you seriously comparing an honor code with the rules at PCC? Thats ridiculous. All universities have honor codes and all should since it protects the students actually doing the work.</p>
<p>half-baked i totally agree with you! college is about expanding your horizons, not closing them off... and even if some elite colleges are homogenous economically, i dont think they are ideologically- how can they be when they are brining students from all over the country and world, with all different religions and philosophies and experiences together. it seems to me that PCC students are missing the true college experiene (although i realize that this is their choice and different strokes for different folks...) by confining themselves to a reactionary atmosphere.</p>
<p>Has anyone heard of a place called Tranquility Bay. It's a camp that is purportedly there to reform troubled adolescents, but borders more on brainwashing.</p>
<p>That's the first thing I thought of when I read about this college.</p>
<p>Article Here
<a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html?=rss%5B/url%5D">http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html?=rss</a></p>
<p>Wow...that's pretty bad...making kids lay on their faces for 6 months at a time? That's ridiculous.</p>
<p>You all have to keep in mind that whoever goes to PCC does so out of his or her own free will; PCC's policies are out there for everyone to see before applying. I know some people at PCC and they are all good, intelligent kids who have definately not been brainwashed into attending PCC. They are there because they want to be there. Besides, once you get there, it isn't nearly as bad as it sounds. There are whole coutries, (Saudi Arabia, for example,) that are waaay more legalistc than PCC.
That clarified, I would never ever, EVER, go to PCC. And I do agree that their secrecy about accredidation is overtly un-Christianlike. Besides, the education itself sucks.</p>
<p>But, I do think that comparing PCC to a Nazi death camp shows a lack of perception.</p>
<p>As a mechanical engineering grad of PCC, I found this thread interesting. First let me say, I am not posting to defend the policies and practices of the aforementioned institution. I will say however, their mech. eng. program is excellent. I have never found the lack of accredation to be an obstacle. </p>
<p>Some history...</p>
<p>I'm a normal guy like anyone else...not the stereotype of a PCC student that I read about in this thread. I graduated in '91 and subsequently enrolled in grad school at Penn State where I received my masters degree in mechanical engineering in '93. My degree subspecialty was automatic control systems and robotics. I had no difficulty adjusting to a student body of 40,000 students out there in the "real world". I found grad school at a top notch big-10 engineering program (PSU was actually in the big east back then) to be easier than undergrad at PCC (my PSU gpa was higher than my PCC gpa). I was also surprised to learn PCC had much nicer facilities than PSU.</p>
<p>One thing no one has mentioned is half the grad student body at a major institution are graduates of foreign schools (which are not ABET accredited).</p>
<p>After graduation, I spent a decade as a Naval Submarine Officer. For those not in the know, US News/World Report ranks Officer Naval Nuclear Power School as the second most selective and difficult engineering program in the country behind MIT. I saw many graduates of major accredited engineering programs fail out of NNPS. Once again, not that the military is the "real world", I experienced no difficulties in the transition.</p>
<p>I resigned my naval commission two years ago and was hired by the largest and most respected nuclear corporation in the country. I am an operations manager and a licensed senior reactor operator at their flagship facility. The two license classes preceeding mine witnessed a 70% and 50% failure rate respectively. Once again, many graduates of excellent accredited engineering programs fell by the wayside. My salary/benefits package/job responsibility are very substantial.</p>
<p>My intent is not to boast of my success, only to point out that PCC's mech. eng. program is for real and has stood me in good stead for my future. I could share similar success stories of PCC grads now serving as doctors, lawyers/judges, businessmen, and so forth.</p>
<p>I hope this helps provide a more informed, fair, and balanced analysis of the subject at hand (I get my news from MSNBC...not FOX).</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Excellent post Rich! It's good to hear a different view on the subject instead of the kneejerk reactions we've been seeing here in this thread.</p>
<p>I would be scared if the judge in a case I was involved in was a PCC grad.</p>
<p>to me, if you think that having others make most of your moral decisions for you where you don't have to think for yourself is the best you can do...fine</p>
<p>me, I would want my kids to have minds of their owns and know INSIDE what was right and wrong and if you hung a picture of Bush and COndi in your room it would be okay (see those two aren't married, and you aren't allowed to have pictures of unmarried couples around)</p>
<p>there is something to be said for making the right decisions because they are right, not for fear of having some rat at your school tattle</p>
<p>a generation people who count on others to decide who they can talk to and when, well, that scares me alot</p>
<p>God forbid we have judges who would do their job and interpret the law rather than legislate from the bench. Wed rather have liberal judges like the one in Vermont that, last year, sentenced a baby rapist to 2 months probation because hed be treated harshly in prison, or the one in New Hampshire (?) that decreed government could seize private property if the community would be better served by a Wal-mart on said property.</p>
<p>I find the hypocrisy of some of the posts in this thread to be fascinating. You make uninformed judgments regarding a place you have never been and people you have never met simply because, for a brief period of time, they lived under strict rules that you would not have chosen to live under. You accuse all PCC students of being closed minded, yet your posts reveal your own lack of independent and critical thought and how closed minded you are to anyone who would make different choices than you. </p>
<p>The military had many strict rules that I failed to understand at the time, but that I now see served an important purpose. There are many who hold similar contempt for those that choose to serve in uniform.</p>
<p>"whoever goes to PCC does so out of his or her own free will"</p>
<p>Well...kinda. Families looking at schools like PCC are generally going to be families who are tremendously invested in making sure that their kids toe the line. Kids whose families send them there can run away, but their choices may be PCC, living at home forever, or facing total rejection from their families if they try to live a secular life. That's not as simple a question of free will as choosing between Michigan and Wisconsin.</p>
<p>Humor-removal operation was painful, eh Rich? I hear it's standard procedure at PCC...</p>
<p>I think a place that tells you that you can't talk to certain people is bad</p>
<p>I think a place that says that public beaches are dangerous and that boys and girls can't be on the same beach is bad</p>
<p>I think a place that says that certain restaruants are verbotum is bad</p>
<p>I think a place that has other kids spy on you for minor indescritions and they get points for that is bad</p>
<p>I think a place that discourages students from reading the newsppaer or even going on message boards like this one, that only allows for a few radio stations, that doesn't allow for seeing some great movies is just bad</p>
<p>why can't kids read magazines? why can't they talk to each other in freedom</p>
<p>why can't they walk on the same sidewalk</p>
<p>why are females treated by different rules than males</p>
<p>the world is not an evil place, but this school teaches that it is</p>
<p>sorry, but I do judge it....they judge us all the time, if you want to talk about hypocracy, look inside that school</p>