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<p>"You cannot treat all laws the same way." </p>

<p>No, that is why different laws have different punishments. But all laws must be enforced. If not, why do we still have the laws on the books? Citizens have the right to be ensured that all laws are enforced equally and not selectively. </p>

<p>"Nabbing kids who willingly work over 18 hrs. a week for their parents isn't exactly on the top of their to do list"</p>

<p>No, I'm not talking about severe punishments that you enjoy to exaggerate like I'm some kind of lunatic. But businesses who do not obey laws like paying employee taxes should be penalized.</p>

<p>I'm not sure if the ivy's will count "non-documented" work as significant work experience, because there in essence is no proof that he in fact did work. I am not saying that the op is a liar but helping out a family business is a lot different than working for a paycheck.</p>

<p>As I said before, I hope that the op does get into every college in which he applies and I'm not trying to discount what he has done. I am not jealous as you seem to claim. I was just pointing out what I saw as a flaw in the application.</p>

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While I rather relax, not all of us have wealthy parents who can afford us walking crutches that we can use all our life. Good for those who have legacies, it would be nice if I had that too. :P

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<p>I second that. </p>

<p>It's ironic how people accuse one of working for long hours even though it isn't out of one's own bidding.</p>

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No, that is why different laws have different punishments. But all laws must be enforced. If not, why do we still have the laws on the books? Citizens have the right to be ensured that all laws are enforced equally and not selectively.

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<p>hmmmm, touch</p>

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<p>lol. rfalcon's grasp of the law is so flawed that it's not even worth debating over. </p>

<p>rfalcon's idea;
A kid who works for his parents to help put food on the table everynight, doesn't pay taxes legally-you don't have to file if you make less than a certain amount, should be shot much like a criminal that murdered for $50,000 and paid his taxes. </p>

<p>Thank god, rfalcon isn't going to be a judge on the Supreme Court. People would laugh at our government if his """"idea"""" of the law was true. :p</p>

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<p>Butterbattle > rfalcon.<br>
This argument is not even close...</p>

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<p>Just to familiarize myself, I actually went and skimmed over the law. Check this out.</p>

<p><a href="l">quote</a> “Oppressive child labor” means a condition of employment under which (1) any employee under the age of sixteen years is employed by an employer (other than a parent or a person standing in place of a parent employing his own child or a child in his custody under the age of sixteen years in an occupation other than manufacturing or mining or an occupation found by the Secretary of Labor to be particularly hazardous for the employment of children between the ages of sixteen and eighteen years or detrimental to their health or well-being) in any occupation.

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<p>I guess I didn't know the law. But, you didn't either! LOLOLOLOLOLOL. hahahaha. rfalcon: I'm so sorry that your entire argument just went up in smoke, but you really shouldn't act all haughty and superior when you haven't even read the law yourself. I hope this concludes this very retarded discussion. </p>

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I am not jealous as you seem to claim.

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<p>You're still in denial.</p>

<p>Now, OP, your chances are extremely good, better than almost anyone else I've seen on CC so far. On the other hand, you are not invincible or Godly as some seem to claim. You are applying for HYP, there is no such thing as an applicant that will definetely get in. Your numbers are certainly above average, but you can lose in other way; at this point, a careless mental lapse in an essay, something that shows a lack of character, etc. is all that's needed to lose the interest of these top schools, which can afford to reject almost anyone. </p>

<p>Once again, I don't think your application is sprawled all over; it is obviously focusing on business.</p>

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<p>AY8888, Butterbattle</p>

<p>You obviously do not know much about income taxes.
EmployERS must pay taxes (i.e. SUTA and FUTA taxes) on all employEES that they report on payroll to the government. Thus if an employER has workers who they do not put on a payroll, then they are not paying the taxes which they are required to pay. Therefore a law is broken. </p>

<p>I nowhere suggested any outlandish punishments that you seem to insinuate.
I did say that if you break the law you should have to pay the consequences that the law calls for. I do not understand how Butterbattle can acknowledge that a law was broken but you think my "idea" of the law is not true. </p>

<p>Read it for yourself. Directly from the IRS website</p>

<p>"If you have employees, you are responsible for several federal, state, and local taxes. As an employer, you must withhold certain taxes from your employees pay checks. Employment taxes include the following."</p>

<pre><code>*Federal income tax withholding
*Social Security and Medicare taxes
*Federal unemployment tax act (FUTA).
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<p>What</a> Are Employment Taxes?
^^^ Here is the link if you do not believe me</p>

<p>You said that my grasp of the law is flawed. According to the IRS, it isn't.</p>

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<p>Butterbattle,</p>

<p>I never called it oppressive child labor, my original post was that minors in 5th grade (as in the op) cannot work more than 18 hours a week during a school year. The OP stated his hours and yes he did work past 7 p.m. during the school year, we already cleared that up. I never claimed that he was worked oppressively which was the subject of your last post, claiming to disprove my argument. The law you presented does not concern my argument because I never claimed it as oppressive labor. He said he worked willingly.</p>

<p>The Law
Under federal law:</p>

<pre><code>* Children younger than 14 are restricted to delivering newspapers, working in a non-hazardous business owned by a parent, baby-sitting or doing other minor domestic chores in a private home, or performing on stage, screen or radio. They may work only between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. during the school year and until 9 p.m. in the summer.
* At 14 and 15, teens may work at non-hazardous jobs for three hours on school days, eight hours on non-school days, 18 hours during a school week and 40 hours during a non-school week.
* At 16 and 17, teens may perform any non-hazardous job for any number of hours.
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You obviously do not know much about income taxes.

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<p>Nope. I went through my mom's to apply for FAFSA and CSS Profile, but I never filed one nor owned a business. </p>

<p>Alright, you got me again on that one.</p>

<p>What exactly are we arguing about?</p>

<p>Oh yeah, your stance is that the OP illegally worked over 18 hrs. per week during the school year as a minor, thus, his family should be punished and it could affect his application. </p>

<p>My position is that whether or not it is illegal, it is a common occurence and completely insignificant considering the circumstances. Even if the federal government went and caught the OP's family (SWAT teams), the OP will not be punished because he was a child when the "crime" was committed. If someone is breaking a child labor law, the employers are going to be punished, not the kids. </p>

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Not quite sure how you worked 40 hrs a week for 52 weeks from 5th to 10th grades considering the fact that child labor laws would not allow this. Read the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, minors can work up to 18 hours a week during
the school year. Unless you worked illegally (which would not look favorable on
an application), you are full of s***. This leads me to question the validity of
your supposed credentials. Have a nice day!

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<p>Instead of raving like a lunatic, you obviously could have just stated your point here. Why is this so important? Countless children work long hours to support their families. What exactly makes you so ****ed off? Jealous. </p>

<p>Also, didn't the OP say that his parents didn't give him real paychecks, but more like an allowance. If so, then your little sphiel on income taxes really doesn't apply. </p>

<p>Oh forget it, this entire argument is worthless. Perhaps you want the OP and his family to get dragged off to a federal penitentiary or something. Perhaps you want the OP to get rejected from every college that he applied to because he broke a law by willingly working over 18 hrs. per week for his parents, but that's not going to happen so this really has no bearing on his application.</p>

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<p>To LaxFan, It's actually the 3 S's... Sleep, Social Life, Studies, PICK 2</p>

<p>BTW u guys are funny with the debate</p>

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<p>No, I fully support the achievements and ambitions of the op. I was just pointing out what I saw as a flaw in his application. The op originally stated he worked 40 hours a week for 52 weeks in fifth grade. Thats not legal through tenth grade. So he clarified it for me. </p>

<p>No I am not jealous which you seem to imply. What made this argument so intensive was the insults that were thrown at me. I.E. Your in denial, The op should be thrown in jail, ect. ect. I was not lying about the law, and it seemed to me that people do not have respect for the law. Some laws can be changed yes that is true. But if a law (any law) was changed tomorrow, and it was broken today, the lawbreaker would still be punished.</p>

<p>I support what kind of effort this guy has put into his studies and work. I understand what it takes, (I personally have worked 40+ hours a week 52 weeks to put my self through college while taking 18+ credits in the semester) I never wanted to discredit what he or his family has done.</p>

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<p>It’s possible. One Asian couple I knew worked in their own grocery store along with other employees. Because their 10 yr. old kid is not allowed to stay unsupervised, his mother used to bring him into her workplace everyday after school. The kid used to do his homework, study for exams, and eat dinner inside an office of that store until his parents closed the store at night. His parents also helped with his homework too. </p>

<p>I saw him doing this for a few years. Although he was not working, he spent about 60 hours a week in that store. If he wrote 6 hr./day in the weekdays and 12 hr./day in the weekend in his college application, nobody could investigate it because his father was his boss. It would be unethical though. I am not saying that it happened, but it could. </p>

<p>The family owns a profitable business, so the kid does not need to work there to support them financially. He could just work a few hrs. in the weekend to achieve the work experience for his college application. By the way, he was a below average kid – I helped him with his math problems.</p>

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<p>If you don't get into the majority of these places, I'm going to be shocked. Seriously, AY888, relax for now. Yale is ALREADY an option for you.</p>