Please help! Cooper Union (which is no longer free) vs. University of Texas at Dallas (way cheaper)

<p>Taking everything into consideration, CU in New York City costs 30-35K a year depending on how frugal I can get, and UTD costs less than 10K.
I'm considering electrical engineering with a focus on computer engineering, and I've heard good things about both schools engineering-wise. I don't think I'll go right into grad school after 4 years' undergrad (cuz it's engineering I guess), but for further career development, probably one day I'd go back to get a MS/MBA or even PhD especially if I can get my employer to pay for that.
Here's a little bit of analysis I did:
Cooper Union:
Pros:
1.NYC! best city in the world, internship shouldn't be hard to find. Plus I have relatives there and in NJ as well.
2.very reputable engineering school well known at least in New York area or even in the North (ranked No.1 US News Regional School in the North);
3.student to faculty ratio=8.5-1, no TAs whatsoever; incredibly dedicated professors as I often hear from current CUers;
4.almost 100% job placement according to various sources;
5.very very challenging curriculum thus "nothing can be harder after CU", which teaches you time management, efficient methods of studying, and skills like that;
6.one of my dream schools, with about 10% acceptance rate, so I can rub shoulders with the brightest/smartest (maybe also nerdiest) and most-hardworking people
Cons:
1.NYC crazy expensive;
2.not much research opportunity provided by the school itself;
3.pretty bad grade deflation and tough workload that can become hard to manage (but I study insanely hard so that shouldn't be a problem);
4.like many elite STEM schools, CU doesn't really take any AP/CLEP scores, or even my credits from a community college</p>

<p>UTD:
Pros:
1.Way cheaper!
2.DFW is a pretty cool place too with a thriving economy and various industries, and UTD is just a 20 min drive from my house;
3.it seems to have good engineering programs according to various websites; not sure if the quality of education is comparable to Cooper Union;
4.maybe a "big-fish-in-a-small-pond" pond effect, since you've got a smaller percent of extremely driven/smart people with below-2000 SATs (less cut-throat competition, more research/intern opportunities)
5.accepts all my AP/CLEP/dual credits and saves me some time/money
Cons:
1.very young and not really well known; often eclipsed by bigger names like UT Austin or A&M
2.average student-to-faculty ratio=21:1 (I don't know if these figures carry that much weight), even though it's a relatively small public school. as i said, I'm not sure about the quality of academics at UTD.
3.not sure if the career prospect around DFW is better than in NY. DFW may not give me the kind of opportunity and potential career growth as NYC. </p>

<p>I know the majority of people would probably advise me to go where the money is, but I often tend to think of education as an investment and my life an entrepreneurship, so I just can't help to find ways to deviate from the majority's opinions and come up with ways to justify the cost of Cooper Union which may bring me a bigger return.
My parents are willing to pay 20K a year for my education, and they are pretty supportive with whatever decisions I make, so I really need y'all to chime in and help me decide!!!</p>

<p>Both of them are ABET accredited for EE so you’ll receive a comparable education at both. You don’t make more $ as an engineer coming from one program or another so the “prestige” of the program is irrelevant for engineering jobs. Outside of the glamor of living in NYC I can’t see any reason for paying more for CU vs. UTD,</p>

<p>You cannot pay more for CU. If your parents pay only 20K, where’s the other 15K coming from? You can only take out 5500 the first year. You would have to ask your parents to co-sign for 10K the first year and every year thereafter. Is that possible? Do they have the equity and resources to take on at least 40K in debt? So you’ll leave school with nearly 30K in debt and they’ll have 40K more. That’s a lot of debt for an 18yo’s fantasy. Better find out now, OP, or there is no choice here.</p>

<p>DFW is Telecom Central so I think there would be many job opportunities.</p>

<p>jkeil911-indeed I’d have to graduate with approximately 40K loans to pay off after graduation, :((
As u all can see, this college decision mostly centers around this: quality of academics and the overall education experience (determined by how conducive it is in terms of producing fine engineers), and the argument that money invested in a supposedly better education equates better return.
I feel like it gets down to how good UTD is, since I’m aware that I’m already somewhat biased against it…
Hope there are UTD alumni or current students of high caliber (who may have turned down big names because of insufficient funds) who can come and comment on UTD’s quality of education and overall experience… </p>

<p>Erin’s Dad–would you be able to expound on some other unspoken rules in the engineering job market? (like “a program’s ‘prestige’ doesn’t matter much”? I feel like this maybe true for those with only a BS, but once get out of a grad school with a big name, the ‘prestige’ starts to kick in right?)</p>

<p>Bopper-would you recommend to me some resources/statistics on DFW’s overall job market/industrial growth or stuff like that? </p>

<p>Really appreciate your time!</p>

<p>UTD. The money is nice, of course, but it is an up and coming STEM school in an economically thriving city.</p>

<p>I agree with the others. Go to UTD. If you’re in Texas, employers would be more likely to hire you from UTD than from a “Yankee” school! ;)</p>

<p>You could still go to a big-name grad school if you do well in undergrad.</p>

<p>There are so many full ride offers from UTD, including OOS students, I’m starting to wonder if anyone has to pay to go there.</p>

<p>I work with many engineers. Unless you are working in a market outside of traditional engineering (like IB or in the start up area) your general salary is set by eduction, experience and job location, not where you got your degrees. That would include advanced degrees. </p>