PLEASE HELP! Looking for East Coast Schools w/ 10,000 Students

<p>I am trying to help my son make a suitable list of schools. Need reaches, matches and safties, preferably on the east coast. (I've found some good ones, but don't want him to be the only Jewish kid on campus so I've crossed some out.)
Unlike my older son, he has no list of his own and his knowledge of the schools are limited.
My husband took him to see 4 colleges this week in NY state: SUNY Binghamton, SUNY Geneseo, Syracuse and Ithaca. He has also toured Delaware. He seemed to like Binghamton and Syracuse.
He wants a suburban campus. Seems to like about 10,000 students or so. Obviously wants things to do on and off campus and a decent town closeby.
Interests: Engineering and Computer Science.
Stats:
About 3.8 Unweighted GPA
3 AP's plus 4 more senior year
31 ACT
normal Ec's and recs.</p>

<p>Would like to find a good range of schools for him to apply to. Any help would be greatly appreciated.</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>safety--University of Vermont</p>

<p>If he prefers to be surrounded by Jewish people, Brandeis is perfect. </p>

<p>Also look at U Maryland-College Park.</p>

<p>Check out Cornell engineering. It's probably a reach, but it fits most of the categories you mentioned. There are plenty of Jewish people at Cornell, it's suburban, and there are about 13,000 undergrads.</p>

<p>^ Brandeis has only ~3,000 students, though.</p>

<p>I would recommend Boston College if it weren't for the Catholic affiliation - but BC might still be worth checking out.</p>

<p>10,000 is such a tricky number. </p>

<p>Emory 12,500
James Madison 16,000
Rutgers 6,700
College of Charleston 9,900
UNC-Wilmington 10,700</p>

<p>Rutgers has way more than 6700 students... it's about 9,222 students per class and 36,000 total.</p>

<p>Oops. Maybe I looked at the wrong campus.</p>

<p>Thanks for the suggestions.
I think Cornell and Emory are out of "reach" for him, but the others are worth checking out.
Maryland is very competitive on Long Island, but worth an application.</p>

<p>What about BU? It's not suburban, but Boston is a fabulous college town, and a lot less urban than NYC. Plenty of Jewish students at BU.</p>

<p>BU is huge, isn't it? I thought they had like 18,000 undergrads, but I may be wrong.</p>

<p>northeastern
drexel
GW (10,000 undergrad, but another 10,000 grad students)
Tulane 6000 undergrad)
u colorado
vanderbilt (~7000 UG)
miami</p>

<p>all have good sized jewish population and engineering</p>

<p>BU has about 16,000-17,000 undergrads. To me, that puts it in roughly the bracket the OP is looking for.</p>

<p>OP, are you familiar with Hillel's Guide to College Life on Campus. It's available in paperback form or online. You'll find a review of the book here on CC on the home page of College Search. If the information sounds helpful and you'd like to see it online, just go in that direction.</p>

<p>They provide statistics and anecdotal reviews of around 500 colleges and universities. In addition to % enrolled, you'll find data on Hillel program offerings, whether or not there's an academic major, if there's a resident clergy or shared with another campus, which denominations within Judaism run the services or whether they rotate. Note also that some campuses have "small but mighty" Hillels, but I think at a place as big as l0,000 you'd find the Hillels larger than that. If, however, you see "small but mighty" that means a smaller number of students are trying to do more to make for a vibrant offering. </p>

<p>While few places will find your son the only Jewish student on campus, I'd suggest that if Jewish presence is an important criterion to your family, may I offer these benchmarks which I hear often: to a Jewish student seeking Jewish presence on a campus, l0% feels very few/challenging; 20% feels okay/fine, and 30% feels vibrant/dynamic. The Hillel data will give you the percentages at each school you consider.</p>

<p>I wondered if your S considered University of Buffalo as a SUNY with larger size and suburban location. I'm glad he liked SUNY Geneseo, which is an honors setting, and SUNY Binghamton, but those two are a bit isolated compared to Buffalo or Albany. SUNY at Buffalo houses and teaches all the undergrads in the suburb of Amherst (voted safest town in America), around 25 min from downtown Buffalo.</p>

<p>Two SUNY's are moving into becoming "flagships" for scientific research; one is Buffalo, the other Stony Brook on Long Island, so you might revisit those in terms of science programs. Perhaps it's Stony Brook for science and UBuffalo for political science. Definitely worth researching. </p>

<p>Brandeis is larger than 3,000 students! It's a midsize university but most are undergraduates. Please doublecheck.</p>

<p>Syracuse sounds exactly as your criteria described. It's a large university with a city of manageable size. </p>

<p>Have you also looked at the University of Rochester?</p>

<p>Some more ideas: Hoffstra on Long Island, Rutgers or Drew in New Jersey, Boston University, University of Maryland at College Park.</p>

<p>A one-page information chart on Jewish enrolment to help you as you search:
<a href="http://reformjudaismmag.org/_kd/Items/actions.cfm?action=Show&item_id=1278&destination%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://reformjudaismmag.org/_kd/Items/actions.cfm?action=Show&item_id=1278&destination&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I had to increase the font size for readability as it comes in with tiny print at 38%, so just hit a larger % once the site appears on screen.</p>

<p>it has 3200 undergrads and 1500 grad students for the record...</p>

<p>GW has about 10,000 undergrads, urban.</p>

<p>Thanks all for your continued suggestions. I will listen so keep 'em coming!!</p>

<p>Paying3Tuitions: Great advice. I have been on HIllel's website and played around with the 5000-10000 and 10000-15000 student population and also the different percentages of Jewish students. (By the way, someone suggested UNC Wilmington, great engineering, but has 75 Jewish kids out of 10,000 students per the website!!) If the percentage of Jewish kids is on the lower end (10%, I think they need an active Hillel. 20% and higher, son should feel comfortable with our without Hillel participation. I must suggest that the figures may be skewed downward due to many mixed marriages and not sure how they estimate religion anyway??)</p>

<p>UBuffalo is on his list, sight unseen. They couldn't fit in and drive ot one more school last week. Seems on the big size though. If he gets in we'll have to get him there to look. May be a good fit and safer school for him. He wants a real campus. I know there's a north and south campus. Do you know how that affects the kids? How is the town right outside of campus? I see you're form Buffalo, so you may be able to share some of this with me.</p>

<p>Not looking at LI schools (we're from there.) Too close to home for our son.</p>

<p>Please keep suggestions coming.</p>

<p>thanks for all your help.</p>

<p>In Buffalo, about the north and south campus, here's what I know as a nearby resident (but check it out with others or the website, as I don't want to be the very last word on this):</p>

<p>I see that all the undergraduates are at the north campus, while the south campus involves some of the graduate schools, hospitals, and particularly the medical and dental graduate students. Roswell Cancer Research and the Erie County Medical centers are all downtown, so the med and dental schools are there.</p>

<p>In other words, undergrad dorms are NOT divided between uptown and downtown. Undergrads live and study uptown. </p>

<p>As an undergrad, everyone he'd be involved in, and classes, would be on the north campus (Amherst). A train and trolley system link the two campii. Just please check the website to make sure the engineering is also in the north campus, and if so, you're really all set.</p>

<p>It has big brick buildings, green fields and green between the buildings if that's what is a real campus. I'd say the criticism that the brick building architecture is very plain and undistinguished is accurate. </p>

<p>It's not a sidewalk campus. Ringing the uptown campus in Amherst are many medium size and small suburban malls, the kind where you drive in and park right in front of some dozen small stores. It's quite accessible to students. I go often to the nearest movie house there, which is a Dipson theater with 2 films showing, but then there are carsful of UBuff students 3 miles away at the cineplex, too.</p>

<p>The students appear to depend upon each others' cars, the university trolley, bikes in good weather, or feet all over the north campus and at the nearby stores. There's a public city bus system, plus campus busses that let studenhts commute between campuses. I've heard that the north campus shuttle heads for the south campus without stopping to let passengers on or off, which might be due to the inbetween neighborhoods that have severe poverty and some crime. But the studnets speed through the neighborhoods on buses that don't interact with those neighborhoods except to hurtle through them without stopping. CHeck all this out but that's what I hear.</p>

<p>Some of the weekend life for the kids happens downtown on Chippewa Street, many clubs with a college crowd. There are a half dozen other colleges that feed into that social scene, including Buffalo State, Canisius, Damien, Niagara, Erie County Community College. Anyone of college age goes downtown who wants to go to those clubs, for dancing, eating, music. </p>

<p>There's an artsy neighborhood called Allentown that's closer to the downtown than the uptown.</p>

<p>Uptown (Amherst) I see undergraduates all the time from UBuffalo in the shops and malls, from Starbucks to Target to Friendly's. If there's a Buffalo Bills football game in the fall, the entire town is out for them, including students. Professionally, there's also the Sabres for hockey and with Toronto nearby (2 hours), when those two play hockey you need to have reserved tickets long in advance, it's so popular in the community.</p>

<p>That's all in addition to what the university itself offers in terms of teams, but I get the impression that UBuffalo students are part of these crowds at the Bills and Sabres games, which are all in college time.</p>

<p>Another place students go to from Amherst (north campus) is Niagara Falls, both in New YOrk State and across the Canadian border. Aside from enjoying the waterfall views from both sides, they just linger like tourists would and go to the shops, wax museum, butterfly museum, whatever catches their fancy on a weekend with friends. Serious inquirers like the geology and history tours run by the state park on the NY side.</p>

<p>A lot of people from UBuffalo originate from the NYC metropolitan area. As well, there's a huge population here from India, into its second generation, because someone from Buffalo decided to recruit from a particular region in India and after studying here, many medical and science professionals stayed and raised families here. My son went to high school with many whose parents had that biography.</p>

<p>It's a real food town! There are many fastfood places but also some regional things, from Buffalo Wings to Beef on Weck (a special kind of roast beef sandwich). Ethnic food runs the gamut from Asian, Indian, Irish, Jewish deli, Russian...all within a mile of the north campus. Plus all that usual stuff, the pizzas, Friendly's etc. </p>

<p>If his engineering interest is deep and quiet, he might like to visit the Frank Lloyd Wright architectural homes here, or the Albright Knox Art Gallery downtown with all kinds of fascinating modern exhibits, as their mission is to show modern art. They have free jazz concerts on summer evenings on the museum steps, and many other offerings. </p>

<p>On campus, there's a theater that shows performances by students, plus in town there's the Jewish Repertory Theater, Irish THeater, several African American theaters, and Shea Performing Arts Center that gets the travelling Broadway shows that tour the country. </p>

<p>Snow here is no worse or better than anyplace else you've toured upstate, from Syracuse to Buffalo. Some say the middle of the state is a rougher winter than here, but I don't know, it's winter for real. There are times when a lake effect storm jumps over Buffalo and lands upon Syracuse or Ithaca, so I think they have it worse than we do, but it's splitting snowflakes. An upbeat attitude and the realization that storms are harder on homeowners than campus students (because they have their walkways cleared for them), plus hot chocolate, is the best antidote. We get sunny winter days and less grey than the eastern part of upstate, but I don't want to sugarcoat winter anywhere. </p>

<p>There is new waterfront development in downtown Buffalo and other attempts to revive the downtown, but in general know that the city is the 8th poorest in the nation. I find a severe divide, in terms of appearance, at the borderline between city and suburb. It seems to me that UBuff undergraduate students fit themselves into the safe suburban environment of Amherst, full of community good cheer, sports, food...and go downtown for club entertainment, but do not interact much with the impoverished residents of the downtown. Going through the city is as if in a tunnel (within a bus or friend's car), just saying, "oh my, this place is depressed" but upon arrival in the downtown destination blocks, it's all collegiate and hot energy once again.</p>

<p>If you send your student as an undergraduate to UBuffalo you can anticipate
community spirit, fall colors, safe town, snow, a muddy spring...but no involvement with the city's deeper problems. Even a student headed for a downtown campus will head like a bee to the parking lots and huge buildings of the south campus, and do univeristy tasks. </p>

<p>I find plenty of good bargains on airfares from JFK and LaGuardia using JetBlue, Continental, Delta, or USAir nonstops. It's a commuter path, so there are nonstops. I visit my oldest S in NYC and have been pleased at this. From the airport in Buffalo to the north campus is a quick 15 minutes.</p>

<p>The Hillel at Buffalo is in good shape, and the area synagogues will also welcome any students who show up. The north campus is within 5-10 minutes of synagogues from every denomination (and even a mikveh!) so you can find plenty of resources, even though students find us geriatric.</p>

<p>*If he prefers to be surrounded by Jewish people, Brandeis is perfect.
*</p>

<p>Brandeis' campus is vomit inducing. I wouldn't recommend it, unless you like bland, post WW2 architecture that's only made worse by the presence of a horrible excuse for a castle.</p>