Please help! UMich vs UW- Madison.

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And which one did you choose, Hidevik?</p>

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<h1>1 MIT = 4.9</h1>

<h1>2 Michigan = 4.7</h1>

<h1>3 Wisconsin = 4.2</h1>

<h1>4 Texas A&M = 4.1</h1>

<p>It’s a pretty steep drop off between #2 and #3. 5.0 is classified as “outstanding or distinguished” while 4.0 is classified as merely “strong”. </p>

<p>But, I agree in the field of engineering, where pay is egalatarian, the differences are not significant. Though there does seem to be some significant difference in an academics’ mind.</p>

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<p>Hidevik sounds like a smart and discerning fellow. In other words, he chose Michigan! ;)</p>

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I would say this was a year when Wisconsin, Ohio State, Indiana, and Michigan all had “the best” year in the B1G depending on how you look at it. Indiana won the B1G Regular Season, Wisconsin won the B1G Tournament, Ohio State had the most consistent performance in the B1G Tournament and the NCAA Tournament while Michigan made it the farthest in the NCAA Tournament: making the championship.</p>

<p>Of course, one could argue that the NCAA Tournament is the only thing that matters and by virtue of that, Michigan had the best season. However, you can’t simply ignore the fact that Wisconsin beat Michigan both times they actually played head-to-head in the regular season and in the B1G tournament.</p>

<p>Overall, Ohio State has been the best B1G school in Basketball and Football in the past decade with Wisconsin a close 2nd. U of M, on the other hand, has only won 1 BCS Bowl Game in the past decade while having been invited to 3 total in Football and in Basketball has only 1 Sweet 16/Elite Eight/Final Four/National Championship appearance.</p>

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<p>To Alexendre:</p>

<p>Since you guys love deciding everything with rankings, lets settle it with rankings. As I posted, rankings show Wisconsin has the better College town and Sports College town. As for partying and party schools that pay, Wisconsin is on the list. Michigan is not even present. As for happier students, I shared the link that shows Wisconsin being above Michigan in the Happier Students category. Michigan wasn’t even on the list. As for nicer campus, I shared the link that shows Wisconsin being on the list while Michigan isn’t. You guys may argue against this, but rankings show it, which you Michigan fellas loved posting about.</p>

<p>When it comes to football, Wisconsin has been a lot more successful than Michigan the last 5-10 years. The same goes for Basketball. With Trey Burke and Hardaway gone, we’ll see how the basketball team fares. </p>

<p>With this said, both Michigan and Wisconsin are great school and are overlaps due to how close they are in everything. Some students prefer Michigan where as other prefer Wisconsin. That’s plain and simple.</p>

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<p>Actually goldenboy, Michigan has been invited to 4 BCS Bowls since the 2003 season (Rose in January of 2004, 2005 and 2007 and Sugar in January of 2012). Michigan lost the three Rose Bowls (one of them in a heartbreaker against Texas, the other two convincingly against USC) and won the Sugar Bowl.</p>

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That was supposed to be Cal’s Rose Bowl. Yes, I’m still bitter about that…</p>

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<p>Hahaha Alexandre,</p>

<p>I did indeed choose to be a wolverine but it was an extremely difficult decision.</p>

<p>My reasons:

  1. I don’t like California. This may seem strange but I’ve lived my entire life in Kuwait so the whole “sunny” climate no longer appeals to me. Plus, the whole Californian lifestyle is not to my liking either.
  2. I’m a major car freak (planning on working in the automotive industry) so all the automotive X prize accolades and the fact that I’ll be close to motor city was a major plus point.
  3. Even though I’ve never visited both uni’s, the general vibe I got from websites, blogs, videos etc. made Michigan more appealing to me. I realise I could be absolutely wrong since I haven’t experienced it first hand.
  4. I studied under the British education system (A-levels) and Michigan gives better credits for each A-level.
  5. Ann Arbor seems awesome.
  6. The school spirit in Michigan seems far stronger.
  7. The undergraduate mech engineering program at Michigan seems far more hands-on and gives undergrads more liberty to pursue their own “ambitious” projects than Berkeley’s program. Berkeley seems to be focused more on grad students. </p>

<p>Once again, I stress it was a difficult decision. Berkeley is an amazing institution (ranked higher than Michigan for almost all aspects that are relevant to me) but something about it seemed unwelcoming whilst Michigan (with it’s MLC’s) seemed like it was at least trying to make the undergraduate experience far more personal. That is something important for me since I was actually trying to get into Cornell because of the more personalised atmosphere they have to offer…and of course because they offer far better financial aid :p</p>

<p>To Madtown96:
Isn’t happiness subjective? I mean McGill University was ranked by Macleans as having the happiest students last year whilst Princeton Review ranked it as having the least happiest students? Are you actually going to choose where you do your undergrad based on rankings such as “Best college town” and “Happiest students” and “Best Campus”. Michigan is ranked in pretty much in all rankings related to academics and reputation higher than Wisconsin is and you’re gonna ignore that? So if you got into, lets say, Columbia University which isn’t located in a college town or has a scenic campus…would you pick Wisconsin?</p>

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<p>Ah… the need to convince others you made a good decision. We have all been there. I have tried to convince everyone i know why going to Michigan over Wharton was a great idea.</p>

<p>We all have to be naive at one point.</p>

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<p>Madtown, city and campus rankings vary from year to year, and from source to source. Like I said, there are many city ratings that favor Ann Arbor over Madison and vice versa. In all cases, both are rated very highly. You really have to be a homer to think that one town is superior to another. Here are some Ann Arbor rankings from very respectable sources. I doubt Madison does better (or worse). Both are awesome college towns. I am not sure why you need to believe that Madison is superior to Ann Arbor. </p>

<p>[Ann</a> Arbor, Michigan Facts & Rankings](<a href=“Facts and Rankings - Ann Arbor SPARK”>Facts and Rankings - Ann Arbor SPARK)</p>

<p>With regards to Football, it is true that Wisconsin has been more successful than Michigan in the last 10 years, but is that something worth bragging about? Michigan’s three years under coach Rodriguez were the worst since the mid 1960s. You are not likely to see such bad seasons as 2008 (3-9) and 2009 (5-7) ever again. In the last decade, Wisconsin has compiled a good but not great 94-37 (0.717) record. In that same period, Michigan went 80-46 (0.634). Wisconsin made it to 10 Bowl games in that period, while Michigan only made it to 8. Of those 10 Bowl games, Wisconsin went a not-so-great 3-7 (0-3 in BCS bowl). Michigan went an equally unimpressive 2-6 in its bowl games (1-3 in BCS bowls). Yes, that’s correct, Michigan went to more BCS bowls and actually won one. In short, Wisconsin has indeed done a little better in football in the past decade, but it has not exactly been dominant. However, in the last two years, since Hoke took over, Michigan has gone 19-7 compared to Wisconsin’s 19-9, and has recruited better. I am not sure Wisconsin will be better than Michigan in football in the future. </p>

<p>Where Basketball is concerned, Wisconsin has done better than Michigan in the past 10 years, but that’s not saying much is it? Between the late 1990s and 2010, Michigan was not exactly considered a powerhouse in basketball. In the last two years, Michigan has compiled a 55-18 record, won the Big 10 conference title once and made it to the finals of the NCAA tournament once. Wisconsin has managed a 49-22 record in the last two years, but has not made it further than the Sweet Sixteen in the NCAA tournament. Our returning talent (McGary and Robinson III) is sound, as is the incoming Freshman class. Michigan also seems to be recruiting excellent players in the long term. Honestly, I would not confidently state that Wisconsin is superior to Michigan in Football or Basketball at the moment. Michigan has been as strong as Wisconsin the last couple of seasons, has recruited better and seems to be just as stable and solid going forward.</p>

<p>Student happiness is a fascinating rating. I wonder how anybody can gauge the happiness of 40,000 students. Are they being asked if they are being stretched academically? If that is part of the rating, I would not be surprised if Michigan does not do as well. Michigan can be a bit of a pressure cooker. </p>

<p>Where I will agree with you that Wisconsin beats Michigan is in partying. There is no doubt that Wisconsin is a bigger party school. Not that Michigan is hurting in this department, but Michigan has a serious academic side to it. Being a major party school is not exactly something a university prides itself upon. As a premedical student yourself, especially one with hopes of going to UDub or UT medical schools, you won’t exactly have the time to party. You will need to maintain a 3.8 GPA to have a reasonable shot of getting into such medical schools. In addition to maintaining such a lofty GPA, you will have to spend most of your Junior year preparing for the MCAT and most of your senior year filling Medical school applications, preparing for interviews etc…Perhaps being in such a party school as Wisconsin is not conducive to reaching your academic goals.</p>

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<p>Hidevik, I also chose Michigan over Cal. After visiting the two campuses, I preferred Michigan. I fully admit that Cal is slightly better than Michigan academically (not in MechE though, so you are perfectly fine), but I much preferred the campus vibe at Michigan. To each his own I suppose.</p>

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<p>“Of course, one could argue that the NCAA Tournament is the only thing that matters and by virtue of that, Michigan had the best season. However, you can’t simply ignore the fact that Wisconsin beat Michigan both times they actually played head-to-head in the regular season and in the B1G tournament.”</p>

<p>Actually goldenboy, there isn’t much of a debate. Performance in the NCAA tournament is what matters most in Basketball. Michigan was arguably the best team in the country for the first two-thirds of the 2012-2013 season and had a weak last third of the season. But that’s only of minor importance in the grand scheme of things. What matters most by far in Basketball (and Hockey) is the NCAA tournament. Let me put it another way, Would Wisconsin trade its two wins over Michigan during the season for the opportunity to play in the National Championship game? It should be noted that Michigan was a completely different team with McGary as starter at Center.</p>

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<p>Alright guys. I’ll admit, UMich is better academically. However, as I mentioned before Wisconsin is better at Biology and many other life sciences and that is my primary focus. UMich has better research, but Wisco is right there with them. </p>

<p>Also, my other reasons for choosing was the party school ranking and I liked the campus better. Many people might have called you guys idiotic for choosing UMich over UCB, but when two schools offer great academics it comes down to the campus you prefer. For me it was Wisco and UMich. Both consist of great academics, however I felt Wisco had the better campus and got a better vibe from it. </p>

<p>Lets end this thread. Both schools are amazing and graduates have all the resources to succeed at both institutions. </p>

<p>I just preferred being <a href=“http://www.drawingontheland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Madison.jpg[/url]”>http://www.drawingontheland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Madison.jpg&lt;/a&gt; rather than <a href=“http://blog.mlive.com/ann_arbor_news_extra/2008/08/large_082708boom1.jpg[/url]”>http://blog.mlive.com/ann_arbor_news_extra/2008/08/large_082708boom1.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Alexandre, that’s why I said that Michigan indisputably had the better season. As to who’s the better team-I think its tough to say since success in the NCAA Tournament is predicated on match ups while a head to head encounter is more equitable. Wisconsin beat Michigan fair and square head to head in a neutral arena.</p>

<p>Of course, I would gladly have Michigan’s end result over Wisconsin’s without a doubt since the NCAA Tournament is all that matters, well except for beating UNC twice in the season of course, which is what Duke did this year hehe. ;)</p>

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<p>goldenboy, Texas A&M beat Alabama fair and square too…and it was not in a neutral cite, but on the road, in Tuscaloosa. Nobody will claim that TAMU was better than Alabama, and in football, a regular season loss is far more significant than in basketball.</p>

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<p>Madtown, nobody ever called me idiotic for choosing Michigan over Cal. I had the full support of my parents. I am fairly certain nobody here said your choice of attending Wisconsin over Michigan was idiotic either. It is perfectly reasonable considering the fact that you prefer the vibe at Wisconsin. </p>

<p>And that picture of Ann Arbor is not exactly the most flattering! LOL!</p>

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<p>Lol i just picked out aerial views of both.</p>

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<p>UMich better at research?? Dubious claim at best. Depends on what field etc. UM did everything it could to scrape together every $$ it could count to pass UW in total research spending. </p>

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<li>Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation (WARF)</li>
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<p>Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation
U.S. patents and patent applications estimated by PatentFreedom: 2,556
What we know about the company: WARF patents technologies invented by University of Madison researchers and licenses those patents througout the world. It gives $45 million each year to fund more research.
While it might seem odd to see WARF on a list of alleged ■■■■■■, CleanTech Patent Edge’s Kathryn Paisner recently listed it among NPEs that “reap the benefit of successful products without investing heavily in development, marketing, and logistics.”
To be sure, the University of Wisconsin is far from the only university with a patent-licensing arm. But Stanford Law School professor Mark Lemley has written there’s “a sense among a lot of people that universities are not good actors in the patent system.”
WARF, in particular, is a leader among universities in making money from its large patent portfolio.
An Association of University Technology Managers survey revealed over the summer that WARF had earned the 10th-most patent licensing revenue last year – $57.7 million – out of more than 140 universities surveyed.
(Other universities with loads of patent-licensing revenue might also get called “■■■■■■,” but we have only ranked the NPEs with the largest patent holdings estimated by PatentFreedom.)
Consumer Watchdog, for one, challenged a controversial embryonic stem stell patent of WARF’s by arguing it was not in the public interest because it could hinder scientific research.
And industry publication Photonics Spectra has listed WARF among ■■■■■■ that are “not the characters you read about in fairy tales.”
WARF itself has acknowledged that it’s often pegged as an NPE, and that NPEs are often called “patent ■■■■■■ or worse.”
But WARF spokeswoman Janet Kelly told BI that the foundation works very hard to license technologies so they can be used in the real world.
“Our whole purpose for being is to bring inventions from the university into the world into practical use. That’s what we’re all about,” she told BI.</p>

<p>Read more: [Biggest</a> Patent Holding Companies - Business Insider](<a href=“Biggest Patent Holding Companies”>Biggest Patent Holding Companies)</p>

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<p>"I would say this was a year when Wisconsin, Ohio State, Indiana, and Michigan all had “the best” year in the B1G depending on how you look at it. Indiana won the B1G Regular Season, Wisconsin won the B1G Tournament, Ohio State had the most consistent performance in the B1G Tournament and the NCAA Tournament while Michigan made it the farthest in the NCAA Tournament: making the championship.</p>

<p>Of course, one could argue that the NCAA Tournament is the only thing that matters and by virtue of that, Michigan had the best season. However, you can’t simply ignore the fact that Wisconsin beat Michigan both times they actually played head-to-head in the regular season and in the B1G tournament.</p>

<p>Overall, Ohio State has been the best B1G school in Basketball and Football in the past decade with Wisconsin a close 2nd. U of M, on the other hand, has only won 1 BCS Bowl Game in the past decade while having been invited to 3 total in Football and in Basketball has only 1 Sweet 16/Elite Eight/Final Four/National Championship appearance"</p>

<p>Wisconsin didn’t win the Big Ten Tournament, that would be Ohio State. Wisconsin finished the season 23-12 and ended the season by getting upset in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Michigan, otoh, finished the season 31-8 with a trip to the Final 4 to legitimize it. I don’t know how anyone could honestly compare those two season and say they are anywhere close to being equal. Also, Wisconsin has 0 final 4 appearances in the last decade, so I don’t know where you were going with the last sentence.</p>

<p>Now in football, over the last decade Michigan has won 1 BCS bowl game and has played in 4(not 3). Wisconsin has played in 3 and has won 0. Let’s not forget that they also finished the regular season last year at 7-5!!! Michigan finished 8-4. They got gifted the Big Ten championship because Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible for the postseason.</p>

<p>Wisconsin definitely has had the better basketball program over the last decade, they have been more consistent with multiple sweet 16s and one elite 8 appearance. They have also always been in contention for the conference title just about every year. Whereas Michigan has just jumped on to the scene in the last two years. </p>

<p>In football though I strongly disagree that Wisconsin has had the better program over the last decade. And quite honestly, Michigan is going to pull away from Wisconsin in football over the next few years. Hoke is dominating recruiting right now and no one knows how Wisconsin will do with their new head coach.</p>

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<p>I don’t agree at all that Wisconsin’s is the nicer campus in terms of overall beauty, amenities, etc. While I agree that the setting in Madison between the lakes is better (and will look better from an ariel view); the buildings are not as nice, kept up or outstanding.</p>

<p>While I do like the new Union in Madison and love what they are doing to the older Union by the lake, Michigan’s refurbing of the dorms, the new Ross School, the updates to the maginificient Law Quad, the new Public Policy building, the update to Michigan Stadium, the complete overhaul of Crisler, etc, etc, are nothing short of phenominal.</p>

<p>In comparison, I find the buildings in Madison as fine; just not so great as in comparison to Michigan. I equally like how both Universities are integrated into their cities, but even there I find U of M’s setting is integrated more equally on all sides and is more important to the City of Ann Arbor than Wisconsin is in Madison. Ann Arbor is more of a college town, which I like a lot.</p>