<p>Im an international student ..........
I have good recos...
SAT 1:Cr+Math 1310
1890 overall
TOEFL 109/120</p>
<p>good recos......
i want to get into Rutgers....for finance ..
how are my chances</p>
<p>I think it would help us judge your chances if you mention whether or not you intend to apply for financial aid.</p>
<p>no im not applying for any financial aid</p>
<p>lucky you! In my humble opinion a full paying international has a better chance of getting admitted than an American student. Although I dont know a lot about Rutgers, I say you have as good a chance of getting admitted as the best financial aid seeking international applicant.</p>
<p>does an international who doesnt want aid actually have such high preference? that’s awesome coz i dont need aid either :D</p>
<p>Lucky you! You won’t get preferential treatment but you are not at a disadvantage like us poor guys.</p>
<p>Back to Rutgers: Your test scores make you neither a sure admit nor a sure reject. I don’t know your grades (/class rank), recs, nationality or ECs nor Rutger’s selectivity among international applicants, but Rutger is probably a ‘match’ for you.</p>
<p>rearset44, Rutgers is a public university system in NJ and like most other public universities does not give out any fin aid to international students.
You are probably right that full-paying internationals do get preferential treatment over Americans at some colleges, but not at the top ones (here top colleges includes universities such as NYU and BU). Most top colleges have lower international than domestic admission rates, even if they don’t fund international students at all (i.e. only full-paying international applicants).</p>
<p>b@r!um, you’re right. At the really top colleges, where money usually is not an issue, whether an international applicant decides to apply for aid or not does not have a significant bearing on admission chances. However at the majority, and here I am inferring to the rest of the 4,000 odd colleges that do not fall into the ‘top colleges’ category, being able to finance one’s own education can greatly improve chances of being admitted, especially so for an international. I don’t know how far it’s true, but I heard that a full paying international from<br>
Asia, Africa or the South America’s is treated along the lines of a ‘minority’ applicant. Can anyone verify that??</p>
<p>Full-paying students from Africa and South America are minority applicants 
Most Asians are not.</p>
<p>I did not doubt that full-paying international students have better chances of admission than international applicants needing financial aid. I challenged your claim that full-paying internationals have better chances of admission than domestic applicants with similar qualifications. (“In my humble opinion a full paying international has a better chance of getting admitted than an American student.”)</p>
<p>“Top” colleges (as defined above to include colleges outside the top 20, in particular colleges that do not give any need-based aid to internationals) are popular among internationals to the point where the international admission rate is lower than the domestic admission rate. A few examples:
(College, international admission rate, domestic admission rate)</p>
<ul>
<li>Berkeley: 11% vs 25% (fall 2002)</li>
<li>New York University: 29% vs 37% (fall 2006)</li>
<li>Boston University: 40% vs 58% (fall 2006)</li>
</ul>
<p>The above colleges do not give need-based fin aid to internationals at all, so it is safe to assume that most of their international applicants are willing to pay the full fees. Unless you can show me that the full-paying internationals that were rejected from the colleges above had a lower academic profile than the accepted domestic applicants, I will assume (based on the admission rates) that even full-paying international applicants are at a disadvantage compared to domestic applicants at most good colleges.</p>
<p>My choice of colleges above might look odd. I am sure that the admission rate of full-paying international students is lower than the domestic admission rate at most if not all “top” colleges but it is really hard to find hard data on the subject. If at all colleges only publish their total international admission rate which includes both full-paying and fin aid-seeking internationals. To get numbers for only full-paying internationals, I looked at colleges that do not award fin aid to international students at all, so that I can assume that their total international admission rate is reasonably close to their full-paying international admission rate (there might be a few international applicants hoping for merit aid at the above colleges, but the colleges I chose give very few very competitive scholarships; there should not be too many international applicants hoping for a full tuition scholarship at BU for example).</p>