<p>ie, restoring Lucky Charms and Fruit Loops to the breakfast table is all that is needed to restore campus morale.</p>
<p>Byerly,</p>
<p>Which of your theories are you referring to?</p>
<p>1) That Harvard grads are inveterate whiners, or
2) That limitations placed on brand-name cereals = limited access to Profs in the grand scheme of things</p>
<p>Have these prickly inconveniences with brand-named cereals at any universities other than Harvard resulted in the same miserable consequences for morale witnessed at Harvard?</p>
<p>Things a little slow today over on the Dartmouth thread, Woodwork? Or do you think running down other schools makes you're daughter's ED choice look better?</p>
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<p>No, I--like almost everyone else--simply enjoy your witty repartee, and enjoy a good laugh on occasion; didn't mean to crash your party.</p>
<p>Besides, what's a little kicked gravel on that impressive Harvard Yard?</p>
<p>Oh, and yes, things are a bit slow today.</p>
<p>It does seem odd that it makes news around the world when Harvard takes Lucky Charms off the breakfast table and yet there is a virtual blackout with respect to the vicious battle going on at Dartmouth over two slots on the Board of Trustees, with "the heart and soul of the College" at stake, if you believe the combattants.</p>
<p>A backhanded recognition of Harvard's prominence, presumably?</p>
<p>I guess its a variation of the maxim that "when Greenspan coughs, the markets tremble."</p>
<p>Byerly: Woodwork was having some fun, relax...</p>
<p>I am completely relaxed, darmani, my boy!</p>
<p>hmmm do I see yet another closed thread here? :p</p>
<p>Byerly youre acting a bit elitist, and no I am not trying to throw dirt at Harvard due to rejection didnt apply not my cup of tea.</p>
<p>isnt it interesting how a lot of threads on the harvard board are closed because of byerly vs. other people</p>
<p>most of the threads in fact...</p>
<p>wonder how he manages to rub so many people the wrong way... even on matters of grave importance such as fruit loops at breakfast :p</p>
<p>He is hilarious...however harvard is the shizznet and I will agree with him on that. 2 generations of family cant lie...</p>
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<p>Yeah, seriously. Why don't you guys lay off him?</p>
<p>Yeah. You guys are meanies.</p>
<p>hahahahahaha :D :D :D</p>
<p>this is priceless :D</p>
<p>"You guys are meanies."</p>
<p>hmmm, this makes me doubt that you are an "authoritative source"</p>
<p>just kidding, we all have child-like moments</p>
<p>Okay, since I opened the thread, let's get back to the substantive comments here. Do any of you think that Harvard's response to this could include changing admissions policies to admit more content, optimistic students?</p>
<p>You mean the kind of people who would be just as happy going to </p>
<ol>
<li><p>Big-State U. where the rest of the high school class are going? </p></li>
<li><p>a teeny-tiny where the dean tucks you in at night and the President has you up for milk and cookies on Sunday afternoon?</p></li>
<li><p>the local community college?</p></li>
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<p>Nah, I don't think so. If the place were full of people without great ambition, or easy-going just-get-by people, then it wouldn't be Harvard, would it?</p>
<p>Harvard students have been demanding and dissatisfied since 1638, and they are not about to change now!</p>
<p>Here's the article from today's crimson. It appears the administration isn't denying the report nor harvard's shortcomings since they are actively trying to address them. </p>
<p>Byerly, is the COFHE the same thing as the Pew trust thing?</p>
<p>here are some excerpts from that article which I know will **** off Byerly (probably the main reason for my posting them)</p>
<p>(These guys are actually concerned)
"Dean of the College Benedict H. Gross 71 said the issues raised by the data guided his priorities when he first assumed his post in July 2003.</p>
<p>Thats exactly what weve been focusing on for the past three years, he wrote in an e-mail.</p>
<h2>According to the survey, Harvard averaged a 2.62 for its campus social life, compared to 2.89 across other schools, and netted a 2.53 for its sense of community, compared to 2.8 at other COFHE institutions, the Globe reported. </h2>
<p>(in response)</p>
<h2>Last fall, the College named Zachary A Corker 04 to a newly-created positionspecial assistant to the dean for social programmingin an effort to expand campus-wide social opportunities. Corker has worked to coordinate events including the Harvard-Yale tailgate, two dodgeball tournaments, and a series of Loker Pub Nights</h2>
<p>(explanation)
And while Adams House Committee Chair Connie Zong 06 credited the administration with taking significant strides to improve student social life, she also attributed the possible differences between Harvard and other institutions to the level of student initiative at Harvard.</p>
<h2>Were all really busy, and it takes a lot of time to work through the bureaucratic red tape of both the school and the city to organize any large social event, she wrote in an e-mail. </h2>
<p>(historically)</p>
<h2>The data, the most recent available for comparison, was outlined in a memo sent from Harvard researchers to deans that was dated Oct. 2004 and marked confidential, according to the Globe. The memo noted that the difference in student satisfaction ratings between Harvard and other institutions is not new phenomenait has existed since at least 1994. </h2>
<p>(Mansfield blames the faculty)
Nobody can say that Harvard students are complacent. I think their intelligence makes them critical, he said. </p>
<h2>I think the administration has commitment to improving Harvard, but I don't think the majority of the faculty does, he said. They are the ones who are complacent and deserve most of the criticism.</h2>
<p>(major shortcoming is faculty availability)</p>
<h2>Faculty availability at Harvard averaged a 2.92 compared to an average of 3.39 at peer institutions, quality of instruction received a 3.16 rating compared to 3.31 at other schools, and quality of advising within majors netted a 2.54 compared to a 2.86 at other COFHE schools, the Globe reported. </h2>
<p>(give credit to the social baffoon)</p>
<h2>Larry Summers deserves credit for trying to fix the situation, both by encouraging faculty to interact with students, and by pledging to hire more faculty to reduce the professor-student ratio, he [Pinker] wrote.</h2>
<p>(And from the mouth of the Director of Admissions and COSAR)
We hope that students who are about to be admitted to Harvard will consider carefully their choices and will talk to individual students who are here and form their own conclusions, she said. When you talk with students who are here, you get a more nuanced picture.</p>