<p>^ What if they showed a Family Guy marathon? Is that specific type of obscenity any different? Questions to ponder....;)</p>
<p>family guy isn't sexually explicit. i get your point, but you could also argue that since the government (ie, community) already restricts porn to age 18+, yet not family guy, then the community already agrees that porn isn't in the community interest, while family guy and other such shows are not legally obscene.</p>
<p>doesn't mean family guy doesn't fall into part C :rolleyes:</p>
<p>made the event
check your fb accts</p>
<p>Liyana, I was just thinking the same thing. Not worth the effort here, perhaps. And no, zzzboy, why on earth would I want to eliminate black people? That is absurd and you are merely trying to make me look as medieval as you can. My main point is that UCLA should not be showing this kind of material, and I thought it would help to point out that pornography is especially dangerous on a college campus and when it appears the administration is condoning, even encouraging it (even though the CEC is separate from the administration as it is student run, I'm referring to appearances).</p>
<p>I am not ignorant to the dangers of pornography as I have seen its affects in the lives of both friends and family (and it definitely contributed to the collapse of one of my aunt's marriage). I am personally invested in trying to get regulations tightened regarding the control of pornography. I'm sorry that this is the wrong audience for my rants, but I felt a need to say something lest it look like this forum was of one mind. There must always be a dissenter to make people reconsider their own views. You are all free to do what you wish. I recognize that this forum is mainly for discussing college issues, and I felt that this topic was relevant to our school and it was worth trying to present another view in this sometimes seemingly homogeneous forum.</p>
<p>And to further make myself the odd man out, I do believe there is significant evidence that a lot of exposure to violent video games contributes to violent children, mr muffin. Maybe not most children, but I'm willing to bet many.</p>
<p>And CEC got my message. The films director of CEC facebook friend-requested me! :p</p>
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My main point is that UCLA should not be showing this kind of material
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<p>I agree. But I'm going anyway, just to be titillated. I already got a bunch of floormates to come with me.</p>
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pornography is especially dangerous on a college campus
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<p>I disagree.</p>
<p>Maybe I'll write an argument when I'm not feeling nauseous, but Salty and I are never going to reach any sort of compromise, so whatever. I respect his beliefs, until it starts seeping into legislation ;)</p>
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And to further make myself the odd man out, I do believe there is significant evidence that a lot of exposure to violent video games contributes to violent children, mr muffin. Maybe not most children, but I'm willing to bet many.
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show me conclusive unbiased studies supporting this or your claim doesn't hold any water</p>
<p>you can't use personal experiences to justify everything you think. for all you know, your family may be a rare case. look at the big picture and tell me how porn is dangerous enough to be banned from college campuses. i respect your protectiveness but i won't respect your beliefs until you sufficiently back them up</p>
<p>also you say this forum is mostly homogeneous over this like it's a bad thing :rolleyes:</p>
<p>im a girl and i like porn
<3</p>
<p>^hahaha that was so random.</p>
<p>are you single emucla?</p>
<p>Oh no, not Avenue Q!</p>
<p>Yeah, homogeneity is bad, because when everyone around you thinks the same way, you start to think you're right! Case in point, mr muffin.</p>
<p>I grew up in an extremely liberal college town, and now I attend an extremely liberal college. It has taken more than stubbornness for me to become convicted of my beliefs. It also took a lot of reading! ;) But, mr muffin, following the advice of liyana, I will not try to convince you with more evidence because I will ultimately find myself too severely limited by my time, posting space, and lack of desire to do the necessary research. Interestingly enough, you always put the burden of proof on me. Strange that I can be wrong with a few facts and you can be right with none. I suppose you have loads of evidence that pornography is a happy, healthy phenomenon. Heck, baby's nurseries should be lined with pornographic wallpaper, huh? Get 'em in on the fun early. What's the point in protecting them at a young age if it is okay at an older age? Clearly society recognizes a danger and wickedness in porn. They just selfishly want a piece of it when they reach adulthood. Oh, there I go arguing again. It's in my nature, I guess. Sorry liyana.</p>
<p>^ hey, it's your time ;)</p>
<p>you seem like you're always keen on a good debate, though; have you investigated other avenues (besides avenue q lol) to continue this? speech and debate or something?</p>
<p>@Salty. Pornography is bad. I agree. But I shall indulge. </p>
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<p>whoever said that is a bad thing?</p>
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Yeah, homogeneity is bad, because when everyone around you thinks the same way, you start to think you're right! Case in point, mr muffin.
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oh i guess its bad that nearly everyone here thinks racism is bad then huh? the number of people that believe in something does not make it any more right or wrong</p>
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I grew up in an extremely liberal college town, and now I attend an extremely liberal college. It has taken more than stubbornness for me to become convicted of my beliefs. It also took a lot of reading! But, mr muffin, following the advice of liyana, I will not try to convince you with more evidence because I will ultimately find myself too severely limited by my time, posting space, and lack of desire to do the necessary research.
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don't make outrageous claims and have nothing to back them up</p>
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Interestingly enough, you always put the burden of proof on me. Strange that I can be wrong with a few facts and you can be right with none.
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you just never asked for 'proof' from me. anyways, in this case it's your job to support your CLAIM that pornography is dangerous in college campuses. i'm not making a claim, so i don't have to back anything up</p>
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I suppose you have loads of evidence that pornography is a happy, healthy phenomenon.
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i never claimed it was a good thing, i just don't believe it's a bad thing</p>
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Heck, baby's nurseries should be lined with pornographic wallpaper, huh? Get 'em in on the fun early. What's the point in protecting them at a young age if it is okay at an older age?
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yeah! and let's dress babies up in size 32 jeans and give them jobs! that's a dumb argument and you know it.</p>
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Clearly society recognizes a danger and wickedness in porn. They just selfishly want a piece of it when they reach adulthood.
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what danger and wickedness? you're just too closed minded to see that there really isn't any danger in seeing naked people enjoying themselves. people in europe frolic topless in beaches. they think nothing of it, although YOU would say it's an atrocity.</p>
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Oh, there I go arguing again. It's in my nature, I guess. Sorry liyana.
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and then you leave when you realize you can't back up what you're saying. i'm still waiting for you to tell me why my definition of "evidence" is wrong :P</p>
<p>wats so bad about showing porn at school? though im probably not gunna go i see no problem with it being shown. its a personal choice - its not being forced upon you in class or as an assignment or anything. also, its not like super hardcore or anything....or doesnt appear to be.</p>
<p>to say that its bad and to try to go against it is really wrong because its not really affecting you in any way. you (whoever you, the individual against the porn being shown at ucla, may be) have only one reason to be against it and that's because you think that everybody should adopt your views--which is wrong, but oh so typically catholic...haha</p>
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that's because you think that everybody should adopt your views--which is wrong, but oh so typically catholic...haha
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<p>I'm not sure what church you are talking about, but I attended Catholic school and was never once pressured to convert, nor was it even suggested to me. The majority of Catholics are reasonable, tolerant and accepting people, who most certainly do not believe that all should think as they do.</p>
<p>Good job stereotyping a group.</p>
<p>No liyana, for some reason I've not been a fan of organized debate. Although in high school I won every debate in English and civics classes I had, in a liberal environment, on issues like euthanasia, death penalty, and the patriot act (which I oppose, oppose, and support partially but totally in debate, respectively).</p>
<p>I won't debate, but I will explain:</p>
<p>I stopped, mr muffin, because in my past debates on here, I've gotten nowhere because I'm arguing someone with equally strong views to the contrary. I recognize it is fruitless.</p>
<p>Supporters of things like legal or available pornography always site the "it doesn't affect you" bit. The fact of the matter is, I want to improve society for others. Especially my future children who will grow up in this society. I've seen how history shows that small allowances open the door to major changes. I fear that if pornography becomes more ubiquitous and socially acceptable, it will come more out into the open and pervade my life (obviously TV is getting more racy. I believe there was a time when couples weren't seen in bed together with nightgowns on. Now EVERY SHOW I WATCH has sex (in my religious view, immoral sex) as a major feature. It literally is on every show that has a plot. I can't escape it (without escaping tv, of course). I don't want to follow this path to the point that my children will be surrounded by more temptation and objectification of sex and intimacy than I am already exposed to. So don't tell me it does not affect me.</p>
<p>Hopefull, aa6590, you see that my reasons are not simply because I want other to adopt my views. I would love that, of course, but that is not even a factor in my opposition of porn at school. And I'm not catholic, but whatever.</p>
<p>Mr muffin, if there was no evidence to support the idea that pornography is dangerous (how that is an outrageous claim I have NO idea) there would not be the court cases, senate hearings, conflicting studies, and cases of broken relationships and individual lives. You scoff at a single case, but I tell you there are millions of them, based on the ease with which I can find other examples of individuals and family being destroyed by pornography. It is well-documented that the adult film industry is rife with physical abuse. </p>
<p>Former porn star Shelley Lubbon:
"'Another lie the porn industry wants you to believe,' Lubben said, 'is that we porn actresses love sex. They want you to think we enjoy being degraded by all kinds of repulsive acts. The truth, porn actresses have showed up on the set not knowing about certain requirements and were told by porn producers to do it or leave without being paid. Work or never work again.'
She added, 'It’s also safe to say most women who turn to porn acting as a money-making enterprise, probably didn’t grow up in healthy childhoods either.'
Lubben said that some actresses admit they’ve experienced sexual abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse and neglect by parents. 'Some were raped by relatives and molested by neighbors,” she said. “Ask a porn star what her background was like and she’ll avoid that subject like the plague. Porn stars don’t want fans to know they actually have broken hearts. That would KILL the fantasy, now wouldn’t it? Porn is virtually everywhere on earth. It affects everyone. No matter where you go, it’ll be in your path. It will reach you through its TV networks, pay-per-view movies on cable and satellite, Internet Web sites, in-room hotel movies, phone sex, peep shows, and magazines.” </p>
<p>Based on reason alone I think it is safe to conclude that since a teenager who views pornography into his adult years sees countless more hours exposed to pornography than to responsible sex education, his view of sex is likely to be more formed by pornographic depictions of sex than what he learns from his parents or school. Porno sex tends toward aggression, force, and lack of protection. Again I say, my claims are far from "outrageous."</p>
<p>Coffeebreak, if you think porn is bad, why indulge???</p>
<p>"The majority of Catholics are reasonable, tolerant and accepting people, who most certainly do not believe that all should think as they do."</p>
<p>bwhaha is that why prop 8 passed?</p>
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I stopped, mr muffin, because in my past debates on here, I've gotten nowhere because I'm arguing someone with equally strong views to the contrary. I recognize it is fruitless.
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i can sufficiently support everything i say. you cannot. that's why you left the religion argument too.</p>
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You scoff at a single case, but I tell you there are millions of them, based on the ease with which I can find other examples of individuals and family being destroyed by pornography. It is well-documented that the adult film industry is rife with physical abuse.
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and marriages in america have a 50% divorce rate for first marriages! does that mean marriage is bad? no, it means people are irresponsible. you wouldn't ban the selling of tylenol if a large number of people used them to commit suicide, would you?</p>
<p>claims claims claims. give me a reason to believe them.</p>
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'Another lie the porn industry wants you to believe,' Lubben said, 'is that we porn actresses love sex. They want you to think we enjoy being degraded by all kinds of repulsive acts. The truth, porn actresses have showed up on the set not knowing about certain requirements and were told by porn producers to do it or leave without being paid. Work or never work again.'
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nobody's forcing them to be in a porno</p>
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She added, 'Its also safe to say most women who turn to porn acting as a money-making enterprise, probably didnt grow up in healthy childhoods either.'
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and how is that porn's fault?</p>
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Based on reason alone I think it is safe to conclude that since a teenager who views pornography into his adult years sees countless more hours exposed to pornography than to responsible sex education, his view of sex is likely to be more formed by pornographic depictions of sex than what he learns from his parents or school. Porno sex tends toward aggression, force, and lack of protection. Again I say, my claims are far from "outrageous."
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because if someone resists watching porn, he'll look up safe sex on the internet right? these claims HAVE to be backed up. i can just as easily say "porn makes people less aggressive, more loving, and think more about protection" but without evidence, nobody's going to believe me. and they shouldn't</p>
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Coffeebreak, if you think porn is bad, why indulge???
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cause it's HAWT</p>