<p>So now that I've visited and decided I will be a Wolverine, I have a question. Hopefully I'll be accepted into Ross either pre-admit or after freshman year, but in the case that I am not, I'll probably major in Economics. Now I know there is a four semester proficiency required in a foreign language (and I won't test out of it b/c my Latin class is a joke right now) for LSA. I'd hate to waste a class on taking another language and would rather learn about something interesting. My question is: Is it possible to take the four semesters of the foreign language at a community college in the summers, or must it be at Michigan?</p>
<p>You’ll take the placement test at orientation and if you place high enough it’ll bypass the language requirement. Or if you get a 5 on most language AP tests (not sure about a 4 though).</p>
<p>I realize that. I’m almost positive I won’t bypass the test though, and I’m in Latin 4 so not taking an AP test.</p>
<p>If you’re in LSA you need to complete the language requirement. In Ross you can choose not to.</p>
<p>Yes, but can the four semesters of profiency be achieved at a college other than Michigan?</p>
<p>Idk, the classes here aren’t at all impossible. If you don’t do Ross just take them here, it will be a lot less hassle that way and the extra approving/transferring of credits/commuting to wherever won’t be worth it.</p>
<p>What you can do is get a BGS rather than a BA or BS. You can still take all the same classes as Econ majors except the language.</p>
<p>I have a learning disability, with documentation. I have not taken a foreign language in high school, do I have to take a language?</p>
<p>BGS is the easiest way to avoid the language requirement. You can take pass fail language except the fourth semester. Certain foreign study classes will count but most do not. I think once you enroll at U-M you cannot take language at a community college. There are dozens of languages to choose from.</p>
<p>luna, did you “try” a language in high school? You might be surprised. My son has an LD but had no trouble with a foreign language and ended up taking 4 years after testing the waters in 8th grade. His dad and I were surprised.</p>
<p>they said I could not, so no but I did send MICH my IEP</p>
<p>I believe res ipsa is right about community college classes as I looked into this a few months back for my daughter.
If you are an extremely strong student you could not take it and hopefully get into Ross without taking language classes. I just talked to a guy who did just that-he got all A’s and got into Ross no problem after his freshmen year.
Another option is to study abroad. I think there is a Costa Rica U of M class that starts in May and goes through the 3rd week of June. You live with a family and take classes and also do field trips. I think this 7-8 week class fulfills the language requirement. If that would interest you it may be worth making a phone call and getting all the details.</p>
<p>Ark, obviously I’m talking about Spanish whereas you are in Latin. A phone call or 2 would probably go a long ways in giving you all the options available to you.</p>
<p>Is anyone familiar with the language placement test at orientation? How much time do you get? What’s the format like(MC/Free Response, etc.)? How many questions? What’s the difficulty like? Percentage needed to pass? Will the grade on the test be incorporated into my GPA?</p>
<p>I took 3 years of Latin in high school. Looked here:
[Romance</a> Languages - Language Placement Test](<a href=“http://lsa.umich.edu/rll/langinstruct/placementtest.html]Romance”>http://lsa.umich.edu/rll/langinstruct/placementtest.html)
but Latin isn’t listed. Are the placement tests only limited to French, Italian, and French?</p>
<p>I took the placement test in Latin but it was pretty hard and I didn’t place out of anything. I think the expectations for Latin at Michigan are a lot higher than they were at my high school.</p>
<p>Do you know any specifics on the test?
See my post above yours.</p>
<p>I don’t know how your rigorous your school’s Latin is, but at mine, Latin:Aeneid split into covered in two years:Latin 3 and Latin 4. (Note: Only Latin 4 is considered an AP because that’s when most kids take the AP test.)</p>
<p>By the way OP,
source:
<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/bulletin/chapter3/ab_bs/lr[/url]”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/bulletin/chapter3/ab_bs/lr</a></p>
<p>Ok thanks. Think I should wait until I find out my freshman Ross decision to start a language or begin taking it freshman year and continue with it regardless of decision?</p>
<p>I would wait. Many LSA students take language as pass/fail until the fourth semester (that way only one crappy grade on the transcript instead of 4). If you don’t get into Ross, then take 3 semesters of langauge as pass/fail and bite the bullet on the fouth semester.</p>
<p>^From what I heard, the Latin placement test(OP) at orientation doesn’t have an audio section, but French and Spanish do.</p>
<p>The only way to get out of the LSA language requirement is to not be in the LSA, or pass out of it with the language placement test (which you can only take once) or with AP credit. Language courses taken at another college are entirely irrelevant.</p>
<p>Even with a learning disability, you will most likely not be excused. You have to get medical documentation of a disability that makes it impossible for you to learn any amount of any foreign language at all (read: not to 4th semester proficiency, AT ALL), you have to take the Modern Languages Aptitude Test which you can only take when it’s being proctored by the disabilities office once per semester-- and being unable to finish the test and only scoring in the 30th percentile isn’t a low enough score to be significant, you have to have a documented history of trying and failing every language course you’ve taken including letters from any previous instructors supporting your case that you are completely incapable, and then you have to submit a petition to the Academic Standards Board to get a substitution or waiver approved, which they most likely WILL NOT APPROVE. They are INCREDIBLY strict, and I had such a bad experience with the language department and the academic standards board that I nearly left the school. Had I had the means I would have sued. If you don’t think you can pass a foreign language class without accommodation beyond extra time on tests, either don’t go LSA or don’t come to Michigan. I loved Michigan and my experience there, and this is really the only negative thing I have to say about umich-- but I mean it. The situation for students with disabilities who have a foreign language requirement is BAD. I was only asking for incredibly reasonable accommodations OR a waiver or substitution if they felt the were unable to provide the accommodations, stressing that I preferred the accommodations, and I got NOTHING AT ALL for severe learning disabilities and auditory processing problems.</p>
<p>ETA:</p>
<p>The spanish placement test is all audio. In my case, the audio didn’t match with the pages on the test so you had even less time than you were supposed to to complete the questions. It would stand to reason that the other languages at Michigan which are taught to be spoken would also have these audio components, but Latin isn’t one of those-- you are only taught reading and writing, so I highly doubt there is audio for the latin placement test.</p>