I know this will be hard to answer butt I am just curious if anyone could give any information. Out of the listed undergrad schools, does anyone the know the percentage of student who were accepted to med schoo. For example, 93% of undergrad students who apply to med school are accepted from Harvard. Does anyone know those numbers for these schools:
Pitt:
Penn state:
Temple:
Virginia tech:
Wvu:
University of Florida:
University of south Florida:
University of central Florida:
Florida state:
University of Kentucky:
Fgcu:
New college of Florida:
Ohio state:
Purdue:
I know not all these numbers are known but any information would be awesome…thanks
Beware a college’s published medical school admissions rate. There are so many ways to fudge it that the number can quickly become meaningless. Here are some examples
School A publishes a 95% acceptance rate
100 students desire medical school, 50 are denied a committee letter, 49/50 (95%) get in, but the true admissions rate is actually 49/100 or 49%.
School B publishes a 95% acceptance rate
100 students desire a medical career, only 10 of them are headed to US MD schools. 40 are going to DOs, 25 to foreign MDs, 10 to PA school, 10 to NP school. 95% are headed to “medical school” but only 10% are going to the school you think it is.
School C publishes that 95% of their pre-med students are attending one of their top 3 choices.
95% of students really did get in, but the top 3 thing is based on a questionnaire at the end of the year that asks “of the medical schools that you were ADMITTED to, are you going to one of your top 3 choices.” If you were to have asked at the beginning of the cycle “of the schools that you are APPLYING to, which are your top 3” and then used those answers to calculate the percentage, it would actually be that only 40% are going to one of their top 3 choices.
School D states that 95% of their pre-med students were accepted to medical school.
Of the 100 pre-meds, 50 of them are in a combined BS/MD program. Of the 50 who actually applied to medical school, 20 are going to US MD, 15 are going DO and 10 are going foreign MD. The true acceptance rate for people applying to US MD schools is really 20/50 or 40%.
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For example, 93% of undergrad students who apply to med school are accepted from Harvard.
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This stat and similar ones mean NOTHING to a high school kid and means nothing to any one person.
THAT stat does NOT mean that 93% of freshmen H premeds get into a med school.
A school can start out with 500 premeds, but by the time junior year ends, only 100 end up applying to med school. And of that 100 that apply, 93 got into ONE US MD school.
So, what does that stat tell a high school kid about his own chances??? Nothing.
All that stat means is that after all the heavy weeding and mind-changing, that after junior year of college, those who still have med-school worthy stats and med school interests, and who apply to med school. had a 93% chance of getting into at least one US MD school. That stat isn’t much higher than many other schools.
When he was a freshman in high school, I was talking to a senior who was excited to be going to a LAC that boasted a very high med school acceptance rate…I think it was 90%. This student had been a top student at his high school, and it was obvious that he thought that going to this LAC as a premed meant that getting into med school was a slam dunk. He thought that going to this LAC meant a punched tix to med school.
Fast forward to present time. Yes, this young man is in med school. He’s a 3rd year med student with my son, even though he’s 3 years older than my son. This young man had to do some serious grade-repair to make himself med-school worthy. In the end, those boasted percentages meant nothing.
Yes thank you I understand what your saying. Have you seen what penn state said about their percentages
In answering this question, you must first realize that Penn State has a large group of non-traditional applicants (graduate students and older students who have returned to school for additional undergraduate study) applying for medical school admission each year. Also, there is no mechanism in operation at Penn State where students are pre-screened to determine who can or who cannot apply for medical school admission. With this in mind, the application/accept figures for the past several years show that of all students across the University who applied for medical school admission, about 60% were accepted. If you consider just the junior year undergraduate students who applied, about 65% were accepted. And finally, in looking at just the undergraduate Premedicine majors who applied, about 70% were accepted. These above figures compare with an overall national accept rate of about 40%.
all students across the University **who applied ** for medical school admission.
How many students started as “premed”, crashed and burned along the way, never made it to actually applying, and are now on different career pathways?
the undergraduate ** Premedicine majors who applied **. Notice the capital P in Premedicine. It’s not the generic premed but refers to a specific major. According to PSU’s website, the following is required just to be eligible for this major is:
In order to be eligible for entrance to the Premedicine major, a student must have: 1) attained at least a 3.20 cumulative grade-point average; and 2) completed BIOL 110 GN(4), BIOL 230W GN(4), CHEM 110 GN(3), CHEM 111 GN(1), CHEM 112 GN(3), CHEM 113 GN(1), CHEM 210(3), MATH 140 GQ(4), MATH 141 GQ(4) and earned a grade of C or better in each of these courses.
Again how many students started as “premed”, crashed and burned along the way in the above courses, never made it into this major, much less actually applied, and are now on different career pathways?
Be very,very wary of accepting of a college’s reporting of their med school acceptance rates. Getting into med school is more the result of an individual student’s effort and less about the name on their diploma
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Also, there is no mechanism in operation at Penn State where students are pre-screened to determine who can or who cannot apply for medical school admission.
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Most schools do not have a mechanism to pre-screen students to determine who can or who cannot apply to med schools. Some with modest stats will still ‘try’. However, most premeds with modest stats will change their career paths long before the end of junior year. Usually some poor/modest Gen Chem or OChem grades motivate them to change paths. However, as the PSU words indicate, some will insist on “trying”…maybe because of family pressure or maybe because they’re just naive as to how low their chances are.
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Yes, that would be the net result if there are a number of applicants who have some sort of inadequate application (grade issue, MCAT issue, LOR issues, whatever)
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If you consider just the junior year undergraduate students who applied, about 65% were accepted. And finally, in looking at just the undergraduate Premedicine majors who applied, about 70% were accepted. These above figures compare with an overall national accept rate of about 40%.
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Yes, but again, none of this tells a high school kid anything. There is no mention of how many incoming frosh premeds ended up applying to med school, and how many succeeded.
@mom2collegekids I’m not exactly sure now because it’s summer and I try not to think about it over summer… I am in the top 20% of my class(not that great) but it is a private competitive school
Another thing to think about is to look at the GPA/MCAT scores of the average applicant from each school. For example, Brown’s acceptance rate for 2012-2014 was 85.3% compared to the national average of 44%, but look at the average stats for these accepted students: http://www.brown.edu/academics/college/advising/health-careers/medical-admission-data-snapshot The national average for an accepted med student is 3.63/31.4. For a Brown student, it’s 3.67/34. Now I know that’s the accepted students but since that’s 85.3% of the Brown applicants let’s treat that number as representative of all Brown applicants. The AAMC reports that an applicant with a 3.67/34 has a 75.6% chance of being admitted (https://www.aamc.org/download/321508/data/factstable24.pdf). Now, obviously that’s still less than 85.3%, but it’s certainly much closer to 85.3 than it is to 44. The reason top schools do well is because they start with better students.
And hey, what do you know, Brown is fudging the numbers a bit just like I said schools do (and not all schools are as forthcoming about it to put it right there on the website):
How many kids do you think apply after they meet with the pre-med advisor and he tells them they have very poor chances of getting admitted to medical school? The former Brown pre-med advisor did not mince words, and I know first hand of about 4 or 5 people who left his office in tears because they were flat out told they had little to no chance of getting admitted if they applied. All but one of them chose not to apply (as in the school would have written them a committee letter if they had applied), the one who did apply was not admitted anywhere.
What you are really asking, OP, is whether there are some schools that will prepare you better for medical school than others - and do a better job of pre-med advising. The easy answer is that most reputable schools will do a good job of teaching you the pre-reqs - it’s only basic sciences, English, and calc - not Phd prep work in an esoteric field. And most do a good enough job of pre-med advising because it’s pretty generic, but even if they don’t, there is a great deal of information out there to advise pre-meds on the process. Amherst has some good resources on line: https://www.amherst.edu/campuslife/careers/act/gradstudy/health/guide/part1 and https://www.amherst.edu/campuslife/careers/act/gradstudy/health/guide/part2
Also, most schools have a pre-med association in which the collective wisdom gets passed down from year to year on what to expect. Talk to them about how supportive a particular school’s admin is in advising and generating that important committee letter.
The good news here is that you don’t have to go somewhere expensive or prestigious, you don’t have to incur a lot of debt, and any medical school you get into is a good one. Go to the school that brings out the best in you as a student and a person and doesn’t hurt your wallet (too much).
And this is no knock on Harvard. This is how it should be (and how it is at most schools). College science courses aren’t geared to the MCAT, especially since the MCAT isn’t really a knowledge based test.