<p>how would you guys compare the pre-med program and the % of getting into good medical schools? For pre-med undergraduate education, do all these schools prepare students well?</p>
<p>Rochester is top notch for pre-meds. The others would be excellent as well. You really can't go wrong.</p>
<p>All of those are excellent for pre-med. However, Rochester is the only one of those for which pre-med is either top notch or not outshone by other subjects (except that if you count Eastman, it is outshone). Basically Rochester is actually known for pre-med (and music). NYU has, I believe, an excellent seven year program, and Cornell and Emory are also excellent. If you've read Cat's Cradle, Newton Hoenikker went to Cornell pre-med.</p>
<p>An average Cornell student has a higher SAT score, higher GPA, class rank, and has better ECs than an average U of Rochester student. So you are saying these two average student from two different schools will receive the same top-notch pre-med education and both will have an equal chance getting in Harvard medical school?</p>
<p>U of Rochester has an adjacent hospital, medical research facility, and medical school. Cornell is better academically than U of R but Cornell does not have an adjacent hospital or med school (for volunteer and research opportunities). But, I might still choose Cornell over U of R. Cornell is such a fabulous experience. Cornell has excellent biological sciences. Would you major in bio? Quite a few Cornell engineering students go to med school. Some say med school is easier than Cornell engineering.</p>
<p>I can't really give a fair appraisal of Emory or NYU although I know they are excellent by reputation.</p>
<p>Yes, i'm majoring in Biology. Ha, and i'm not really the engineering type person</p>
<p>so you guys are saying that I'll have a great pre-med education and a high medical school acceptance % (if i work hard) in all four colleges? So i guess the only difference would be the fit?</p>
<p>i assume it's harder to do well in Cornell because of the grade deflation? What about others?</p>
<p>Cornell is also hard and competetive becuase it is filled with smarties and is know to be a hardddddddddddddd school. But pre med is probably hard anywhere, youd be very lucky to find a place with easy pre med</p>
<p>if you find one let us all know so well come to, jk,
good luck man</p>
<p>Yeah pre-med is hard anywhere, my sister started out pre-med at NYU and she says the weed-out courses (chem specifically) are insane. Curving in the classes hurt her GPA and like so many others, she found something else and dropped pre-med.</p>
<p>Emory would be my top choice among these for pre-med: it has better quality of life (nice weather, Atlanta), pre-med is a little less cut-throat than at Cornell and there are amazing opportunities for research next door (Hospital, CDC, etc.)</p>
<p>In general the thing you should be most concerned with is fit. Prestige is really NOT important, and acceptance rate is a very poor metric in judging quality of pre-med instruction.</p>
<p>since the pre-med 'curriculum' is long on breadth and short on depth, there are few schools likely to have great programs in all fields, and a single great program is likely not to be of much benefit to a student going to medical school. There are going to be plenty of biology courses that have absolutely no relevance to medical school (things like ecology, botany, zoology, etc). Similar patterns occur in other majors like chemistry or physics. Even biochemistry likely goes much farther in depth than medical school biochem does.</p>
<p>This is not to say that school choice doesn't matter, because it can and does, just that it's not intrinsically tied to prestige. Things that make a great pre-med school include things like great pre-med advising, plenty of opportunities for research/volunteering/on-campus involvement and so on. These things are largely hard to quantify in any real meaningful way that would facilitate comparison without you extensively researching all the schools.</p>
<p>Again, look for fit because has Darth mentioned anecdotally there is an extremely high attrition rate for pre-meds. Make sure you are at a place where you'll be happy even if you change your major.</p>
<p>Finally, forget about medical school prestige. There are only 125 medical schools in the US and they are all excellent, all will give you the knowledge, skill and experience you need to enter residency. Unless you are hoping to go into academic medicine, or a few select residency programs - ie the very, very top programs - in a select few specialties (Ophthalmology, Derm, Radiology) than where you completed medical school and did your residency training is largely irrelevant in the eyes of patients. They care far more about how you listen, explain, and make them feel better. And realize that the national acceptance rate to medical school is currently about 45%, with most applicants only receiving ONE acceptance. So usually students don't have much choice, and if they do have a choice, a lot of times it's predicated on cost (why pull out 240k in loans when you only have to pull out 155k?).</p>
<p>thankyou very much guys!!!<br>
I've a question though, if one can get equal educatoin from all top 30 or even 50 schools, why do ambitous pre-med kids still reach for the ivies and the top ten schools? And, does a doctor at, lets say, MA General Hospital count as an academic doctor? Would one have a better chance of getting in that hospital if one went to a more prestigious med schools? Sorry for all these questions, they may sound very ignorant to some of you. I'm just a high school senior, bear me.</p>
<p>cuz it looks good- but i stress it really only looks good if they have high GPA from an ivy. low gpa from an ivy is nothing special. looking good for residency, grants, research jobs, fellowships...... personal self esteeem</p>
<p>I am most familiar with Rochester and Cornell. </p>
<p>Both are highly esteemed and both are rigorous (I have more than one pre-med friend at UofR). </p>
<p>buuuuut ... change majors at Rochester and you've essentially taken a step down. The school is known for pre-med, music, and some engineering, but the humanities and the rest are certainly not seen as highly regarded. In fact, my one friend at UofR who is a french major jokes "50% of the school is pre-med, 49.5 of the school is engineering ... and the other .5 is myself." </p>
<p>At Cornell, on the other hand, nearly every program is top notch. Change majors as much as you want and you'll still be among the best in the US. </p>
<p>I don't have specific med school placement rates for Rochester.</p>
<p>Just for the record, UR has one of the top political science programs in the country. I also understand that the UR medical school gives preference to UR grads who meet their standards.</p>
<p>Regardless of the rankings of their other programs a student should go where they fit best. If that's Rochester, than that's Rochester, even if they change their major.</p>
<p>As for the academic medicine question. The definition of an doctor in academic medicine varies slightly at each institution, and sometimes even in departments. If you want to be on clinical faculty, which basically means you are the attending and have legal responsibility for the patients being managed by the teams of fellows, residents, interns, and medical students, then that's slightly different than being "on faculty" where you as a doctor are also responsible for research, and teaching in more formal didactic sessions...in addition to your clinical responsibilities - at least the way I see it at my medical school. In the latter, prestige of your medical school is important (at least until you have built a sizable resume), and these physicians are much more likely to hold an MD/PhD. If the former - prestige of your medical school is likely less important, but just how important is probably dependent on where you are trying to find a job. Most schools will look out for their own so if you were to end up back in Oklahoma for medical school, you'd probably have a much better chance of ending up on faculty there than some other place.</p>
<p>When I was chosing my college, my decision was between Cornell and Rochester.</p>
<p>Both places are excellent schools, so you really can't go wrong.</p>
<p>I chose Cornell, and I'm very happy with my decision. I'm a premed student in biological engineering...since both biology and engineering are very strong, I've been happy with the courses I've had so far. Classes are hard..I just finished up organic, and it was no walk in the park, but even though there were a few times where I just wanted launch my orgo book off the top floor of the clock tower, I actually liked the class.</p>
<p>I also really like how there are a lot of strong programs...electives are awesome. So far I've taken Spanish and a Medieval Studies course as electives, both of which were really good courses.</p>
<p>I also really appreciate the diversity of people, like my friends are in every sort of major you could imagine from engineering to fine art...I think that really adds something.</p>
<p>Oh, and the food is better at Cornell...lol. (That's the real reason for my decision...j/k)</p>
<p>Good luck, as I said either school is excellent, it all depends on what you're looking for.</p>
<p>proletariat2, last i heard (a year ago lol), NYU was no longer offering a combined program.</p>