<p>I don't know the exact term. Is it misquote? Many newspapers also pick a statment of a celebrity's speech and publish it in the headline. The statement in another context sounds ridiculous. </p>
<p>in imsomniatic's context, mine statement is ridiculous.</p>
<p>"I was actually being sarcastic; that's the phrase that pro-lifers always use when talking about sex. That's it's only for babymaking. I don't really know what I was trying to prove except that I don't like pro-lifers."</p>
<p>Actually, isn't the general belief of pro-lifers that abortion is murder? Taking responsibility for your actions is implied, but I believe the sole argument of pro-lifers is more life/death.</p>
<p>Anyways, all I'm going to say to what ended up being incredibly controversial apparently (and I'm too lazy to re-read the discussion), is my boyfriend would never make me take a paternity test.</p>
<p>Leah, I didn't like Juno all that much for mostly the same reasons either. I also don't think they developed the relationship between Juno's best friend and the boy who impregnated her enough, which was very important to the movie in the end.</p>
<p>I am totally against abortion. Why do people get away with murdering innocent fetus but face long sentences or even capital punishment for murdering a-day-old child (or even just born one)? There's huge incongruity here.</p>
<p>And, how do mothers and fathers - who abort their child - live normally as if nothing has happened?</p>
<p>In most countries, it is still illegal. But in developed and western countries, you get to abort without any repercussions. It is a fact that society in the developed countries are quite liberal about sex. I am not against it, but legally supporting abortion is a non-sense. </p>
<p>Contraceptives are there, so why don't people use them?</p>
<p>^Because pro-choice'rs typically don't believe that human life begins at conception.</p>
<p>And contraceptives don't always work, even when they're used correctly.</p>
<p>To put it simply, I don't want your laws on my body. It's a matter of respecting women for their decisions and their maturity. Judging people is ignorant--never condemn someone you don't even know.</p>
<p>Also, people who are pro-choice are not pro-abortion, but people who are "pro-life" are absolutely anti-choice.</p>
<p>That's absolutely ridiculous. Do you think that abortion is the only law that affects "your body?" It is acceptable for the government to dictate other laws regarding your body (drug usage, organ sales, etc.)? What makes this case the exception?</p>
<p>It's not a matter of "respecting women for their decisions and their maturity" at all. Said woman was (caveat: in most cases) already too immature to make responsible decisions, hence her situation. It's a matter of human life. If I "respect a woman's decision" to become a serial killer, does that make it ok?</p>
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That's absolutely ridiculous. Do you think that abortion is the only law that affects "your body?" It is acceptable for the government to dictate other laws regarding your body (drug usage, organ sales, etc.)? What makes this case the exception?</p>
<p>It's not a matter of "respecting women for their decisions and their maturity" at all. Said woman was (caveat: in most cases) already too immature to make responsible decisions, hence her situation. It's a matter of human life. If I "respect a woman's decision" to become a serial killer, does that make it ok?
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Serial killer? And immaturity is not the cause of every (or even many) abortion. Abortion is inherently different from many of the things you mentioned.
Are you against abortion in cases of rape or incest? Are you against it knowing that, in many cases, the result will be an unwanted child that may put a strain on its caretaker(s), financially and emotionally, and that it will not be given the proper treatment a child should get? What if the child is given up to foster care and, unluckily, ends up with abusive or unkind parents? What if it, like thousands already, is put up for adoption yet is never adopted by anyone? What if the baby will be, due to genetic disorder, be born terribly malformed or never be able to live anything that even distantly resembles a normal life? What if the nature of the pregnancy causes harm to the mother, or could potentially kill her? What if the mother is an alcoholic or drug addict?</p>
<p>The whole abortion issue is not as black-and-white as "it's always wrong" or "it's murder" or "it's always right."</p>
<p>The obvious middle-ground is that abortion should always be the woman's choice, but it should be a carefully made and well thought out choice. Perhaps all women getting an abortion should be required to speak to a counselor, or if they live high-risk lifestyles, be educated about both their health and contraception. I myself believe that abortion should be discouraged after the second trimester starts (by that point, the fetus resembles what most of us would call "human"), but that it should still be an option depending on the need and situation.</p>
<p>Of course, I'm also not a woman, so take that with a grain of salt. I always find it funny when males authoritatively say that it should never be allowed. It's pretty easy to say for someone for whom it is impossible to ever be pregnant.</p>
<p>Post in the Parents Forum or Parents Cafe You'll get good advice there including from parents who got pregnant or had partners pregnant at young ages.</p>
<p>To the posters whose idea of "jokes" is suggesting assaulting the girlfriend: Shame on you. Murder is the leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country. There's nothing funny about suggesting that the guy karate chop his girlfriend in the abdomen or push her down the stairs.</p>
<p>"Murder: The Leading Cause of Death for Pregnant Women</p>
<p>April 23, 2003</p>
<p>By Kim Curtis, Associated Press Writer</p>
<p>SAN FRANCISCO—The death of Laci Peterson, as well as the unsolved murder of another pregnant woman whose torso washed up in San Francisco Bay, points to a disturbing phenomenon well known to police, health advocates and experts on battered women: the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.</p>
<p>"People think that pregnancy is a joyful, happy time for families. That's not always true," said Phyllis Sharps, an associate professor at The Johns Hopkins University's school of nursing who researches violence against women.</p>
<p>In some cases, the woman has been abused for years, and the violence escalates to murder after she's pregnant. In others, pregnancy itself sparks emotions that can lead to murderous rages.</p>
<p>"Violence in intimate relationships is all about power," said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women. "There are fewer times when you can have power over a woman than when she's pregnant. She's vulnerable. It's an easier time to threaten her."
Murder:</a> The Leading Cause of Death for Pregnant Women</p>
<p>Whether you like it or not, abortion is legal. And I believe that if one party is given 100% of the authority in making that decision, then that same party should shoulder 100% of the resulting responsibilities as well. It's common sense.</p>
<p>"And I believe that if one party is given 100% of the authority in making that decision, then that same party should shoulder 100% of the resulting responsibilities as well. It's common sense."</p>
<p>So, in other words, it would be perfectly OK with you if your dad opted out completely from raising you or paying child support including paying for your college.</p>
<p>As an individual, I'm pro-life. I would never have an abortion, because it's against my morals and religion...and I doubt that I could live with myself if I did.</p>
<p>HOWEVER.</p>
<p>I have a number of friends who feel differently, and that's just fine with me. I don't think it's okay for me to tell someone "Don't do this" just because I think it's wrong for ME.</p>
<p>If I was raped, I don't know that I'd want to carry that man's baby, and I can certainly understand why other women wouldn't want to.</p>
<p>If you don't like abortion, don't get one. But it's not right for you to tell others they can't get one just because YOU don't think it's right.</p>
<p>Why have we devolved to such simple classifications of pro-life and pro choice. </p>
<p>It's whether you should have the right to abort or not. Whether the government can restrict that right and on what grounds? Especially since a fetus is not a human being whose rights need to be protected by the govt.</p>
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<p>^^this statement pretty much sums up this issue. because people have such differing views as to what, philosophically, is a human & what constitutes "murder," there's no reasonable option aside from leaving it up to the individual to decide.</p>
<p>I am sorry if I came too strongly. Actually, when you write in forums you can be easily misinterpreted because talking and expressing via write ups are different things.</p>
<p>That was just one side of my opinion - I was just expressing what I believe. I personally do not support abortion, but I don't judge a person based on a single event. </p>
<p>What I wanted to point out was that totally legalizing abortion has also given rise to a lot of malpractices. Abortion in case of rape can be justified as murder in case of self-defense. But, aborting a child just because of unprotected sex or lapse in a moment can never be justified. "The mother is not ready to rear a child." - this is one of the justifications given, But, if someone is ready for sex, than s/he should also be ready for the probability of pregnancy. And what to do? -- it all comes to how you define morality. It entirely depends on individuals.</p>
<p>I agree with Goldshadow that the whole abortion issue is not as black-and-white as "it's always wrong" or "it's murder" or "it's always right."</p>
<p>Just a thought...Why can't we hold trials for every cases of abortion? If the woman has been impregnated by rape, the verdict can be given for the abortion. But, if it is just negligence or misfortunate pregnancy, other decisions could me made. </p>
<p>I just presented my idea, nothing more....</p>
<p>After all, not all immoral things are illegal.</p>
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<p>I don't think this statement should be used to support abortion.</p>
<p>When does abortion change from being the removal of a cluster of cells to the eradication of a human life? The shift is somewhere between conception and birth, but I think that it's impossible to tell within that. </p>
<p>Apparently the affirmative action thread died while I was experiencing real life today. So I guess I need a new thread in which to be intellectual.</p>
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Why can't we hold trials for every cases of abortion?
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<p>now you want to criminalize women for making a choice that's difficult in itself?</p>
<p>it's interesting how this generation doesn't understand the extreme negative consequences resulting from the prohibition of abortions. whether abortions are legal or not, women will still have them. this is proven--prior to roe v. wade, thousands upon thousands of women died each year from botched "back-alley" abortions. if women will absolutely resort to abortion for their unplanned pregnancies regardless of its legality, why not keep them safe?</p>
<p>"now you want to criminalize women for making a choice that's difficult in itself?"</p>
<p>when u put it that way, well I sound crude. Sorry!!!</p>
<p>Jason. Don't insert your morals. Tell me on what grounds does the government have to interfere with a process -- which has absolutely no legal ramifications. </p>
<p>A fetus is not considered a human being. It does not have the same rights as one. What grounds does the govt have for imposing a law against removing it?</p>
<p>"now you want to criminalize women for making a choice that's difficult in itself?"</p>
<p>I think most pro-lifers want to criminalize the abortion clinics and doctors rather than the women getting abortions.</p>