<p>kkwa - if 70% of the kids in your school's music classes are getting As, then my D chose the wrong school for her music major.</p>
<p>Yeah, uh, I'm don't think even 30% of my class got As in my music class... [Though I don't have any certain idea, because at Swarthmore, we don't talk about grades :); meant to be slightly facetious but actually almost always true.]</p>
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bottom line: not difficult to score high and not good for law school preparation by any means.
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<p>So I guess those who are passionate about music should just give up. So should those in Biology and Chemistry, because those majors have nothing to do with law either. I also suppose it makes so much sense to major in political science/economics when Law school will somewhat reiterate ideas already covered in such majors, making either undergrad work or Law school redundant (a stretch, but follows the line of reasoning). In case you're new at this, Law schools have no prereq. Think to the classic adage that law school is for those who don't know what to do with their lives (and therefore haven't followed your prescribed preparation). Your pretentious preaching makes me puke.</p>
<p>Well that depends. Most graduate schools in music performance care little to none about one's GPA and make applicants take GRE as a formality only (certainly a discussion for another thread). Unfortunately, for music schools that stress performance, law school (or liberal arts for that matter) preparation is not a priority.</p>
<p>Woah, wait a second, are you saying majors that prepare students for law school are necessary for admission/success in law school? What kind of pre-professionalism planet are you from?</p>
<p>Liberal arts not a good preparation? Oh shoot, Swarthmore has ****ed my chances for law school! I'm so screwed.</p>
<p>While getting a BM in performance is certainly not the typical path to law school, as long as the LSAT score is good, it is not an impediment. I have worked with very successful attorneys from the best firms in the country who majored in music, theater and art. There are attorneys at these firms from conservatories such as Juilliard, CCM, NEC, and others. One of the most sought after candidates with whom I have worked was a theater major who performed in England for several years before going to law school.</p>
<p>"Liberal arts not a good preparation? Oh shoot, Swarthmore has ****ed my chances for law school! I'm so screwed."</p>
<p>Haha. I said music schools that do stress performance don't stress law school preparation nor do they stress liberal arts (to a certain extent). </p>
<p>Since I am pursuing a BM and planning on attending law school, I certainly hope it's not a severe impediment. That said, being prepared for law school (and coming from a musical background) is markedly different than a music school performance education preparing students for law school. </p>
<p>Again, all discussions that should be saved for other threads (not that OP is even recognizable at this point..).</p>
<p>Well, as a music student, you likely are an industrious student capable of working hard to achieve various goals, including scoring well on the LSAT. I think you'll be fine.</p>
<p>So would a 4.0 GPA and a 170+ LSAT from some random state school get you into a top law school?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Further explanation: Officially, it depends on how you define "top." The answer is yes for any reasonable definition of the word "top," but sometimes on the Internet you get some unreasonable people. HOWEVER, for those schools where the answer is "it depends," going to a more prestigious school does not alter that answer. So the answer to your question is, essentially, yes.</p>
<p>Unless things have changed radically you were always better off viz T1-14 law school admissions if you had a very high gpa from an average UG than a B+ average out of a T10 UG, assuming equally high LSATs. Although the former type applicant is untested in tougher competition, he or she has upside potential, while the latter has been tested and found wanting. Moreover, there are so many of the B+ Ivy leaguers that admissions gets sick of looking at them and they become fungible. And dont forget the social engineering possibilities of elevating a state school kid to Harvard. Y'all should've saved the money, gone to State and had a good time. Just another dirty little secret they didnt tell you in HS.</p>
<p>Free state school and easy major it is.</p>
<p>if i wanna go to a top 14 law school, would haverford college be better or cornell better??</p>
<p>will law school admissions people regard cornell more reputable since it's more nationally well-known rather than a top10 liberal arts college?</p>
<p>Law school admissions officers know about top LACs just as much as the top universities. In that regard, you shouldn't worry about going to Haverford instead of Cornell. However, you should be aware that the reputation of your school really doesn't matter much. The only exceptions are perhaps HYPS and Williams, Amherst, and Swarthmore. Coming from those schools may give you a little boost.</p>
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The only exceptions are perhaps HYPS and Williams, Amherst, and Swarthmore. Coming from those schools may give you a little boost.
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<p>What is your source for this? Why these schools only? Why these schools at all?</p>
<p>I don't have a source for such a claim, it's just an anecdotal observation. Moreover, my feeling is that a correlation certainly exists, but that the causal arrow may point in the opposite direction. In other words, the GPAs and LSATs of applicants from these schools (the top universities and LACs, respectively) tend to be higher than the average law school applicant. I know that of law school applicants from these schools, the mean LSAT falls in the 163-165 range.</p>
<p>My anecdotal observations match up (sort of) with CC's. I've seen it work such that low GPAs with very high LSATs can be forgiven more from HYP/WAS than they would from other schools. (The waitlist process confuses me, but for regular admissions, that's what I've seen.)</p>
<p>I think it matters at Yale. If you read through this, you'll find the number of YLS students from various undergraduate institutions:</p>
<p>You'll see that (in all 3 years and perhaps LLM, not sure from wording) there were 13 students from Brown, 16 from Dartmouth and...12 from Williams...which has a heck of a lot fewer people per class. </p>
<p>For '07-'08 school year, there were 79 from Harvard, 78 from Yale (which has roughly 250-300 fewer students per class than Harvard), 37 from Princeton, 31 from Stanford (I'd expect many Stanford students to opt to stay on the West Coast), 12 from Williams, 9 from Amherst, 5 from Swat. Haverford 1, UMichigan 8, Emory 5, NYU 5, Middlebury 3, Bates 1, Boston College 3, Wesleyan 7, etc.</p>
<p>The figures linked by Jonri include all JD, LLM, and academic doctoral students, as well as one visiting student.</p>
<p>There are 104 institutions represented by a single student. Harvard and Yale graduates alone make up a combined total that's just under 25% of the student body at YLS (and presumably a higher percentage of the JD candidates). Throw in the entire Ivy League, plus Williams, Amerhest, Wesleyan, and Berkeley, and you account for more than 50% of the entire student body at YLS.</p>
<p>Well, I'll tell you this:</p>
<p>My school gets a .5-.7 point GPA boost at Georgetown and Harvard.</p>