<p>i was speaking to my college counselor about being admitted into stanford</p>
<p>and i commented the admissions rates- on how funny it was that i got into stanford (7.5%) but got denied by dartmouth (10%) or princeton</p>
<p>and she looked and me and said very bluntly-
well the kids who apply to stanford are not the same standard as those who apply to ivies. ivies are much more prestigious, they have kids from all over the world and the best kids from all over america applying, whereas stanford is just the west coast of america--and kids from the east coast usually dont apply since its so far. really its just the kids of the west coast
so even if its more kids applying, its less qualified kids doing so, so admission into stanford is not comprabable to admission into an ivy league. it does not have the same reputation.</p>
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<p>this made me feel like **** since i am from the east coast...</p>
<p>Ur counselor is an idiot!!!..she probably applies to Stanford, got rejected, and is now hating on everyone who gets in
It’s more prestigious than most ivies!!!</p>
<p>Not only is your college counselor incredibly insensitive, she’s just plain wrong. Stanford gets thousands of applications from top students on the East Coast - about 70 from my daughter’s prep school alone. It’s also got an international reputation. Look at the QS rankings of top universities worldwide (think of it as an international USNWR ranking compiled in Europe) and you will see Stanford very highly ranked and above several Ivies. </p>
<p>Obviously rankings are far from the definitive way to assess schools and their reputations, but it’s enough to bring into question the knowledge and biases of your counselor.</p>
<p>Sounds like East Coast bias from your counselor. Ignore it.</p>
<p>Yes, Stanford does attract a much higher proportion of applicants from the West Coast (or so I assume, given the breakdown of enrolled students). But here’s a news flash: East Coast students are not more talented than the ones out here. And Stanford certainly attracts tons and tons of international applicants, so on that your counselor is just plain wrong.</p>
<p>Of course, by “prestigious”, it’s possible your counselor is actually thinking something along the lines of “has more old-money preppies from the East Coast”, in which case she’s probably right.</p>
<p>It is just so hard to get into Stanford from east coast, so many school counselors lost confident to advise students to apply. Far from home is another reason too, but not the main one.</p>
<p>That’s a load of foolishness. First of all who says Stanford doesn’t attract a lot of international applicants? I’m international and I applied and got accepted… I live in Trinidad with a population of roughly 1.3 million people and every year I’ll estimate that at least 20 people from this tiny little island alone apply to Stanford. Then there’s people from the rest of the Caribbean, Canada, Australia, countries in Africa, Central and South America etc. And this east coast/west coast talk is a lot of rubbish. What does living on one side of a country have anything to do with the intelligence of the students? And the same way that Stanford may attract less people from the east coast as opposed to the west, it seems logical that east coast schools will attract less people from the west than the east… (I don’t know if this is true but it makes sense to me)</p>
<p>In other words, leave your college counselor in her ignorance.</p>
<p>I live in New Jersey, and I would be very surprised to see anyone get into Stanford from here. It is way harder than to get into HYP, for many reasons. One of the kids I know, number 3 in the school, got rejected from Stanford, also from Harvard and MIT, got in Penn and Columbia. Compare him with others (one in HYP, 2 in Y, and 20+ in ives), he is much stronger, but with bad luck.</p>
<p>In the midwest, at least at my school, everyone loves Stanford. Countless people have told me that, if they had the choice to automically get admitted at one school, it would be Stanford, not MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, or Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Well, I don’t know how your high school counselors work, but most people at my school believe ours don’t know their left foot from their right. They like to think they know everything about us and our futures, when they really have no clue. Personally, I’d heard of Stanford YEARS before I’d heard of Dartmouth (and I’m from WI).</p>
<p>I would have asked the counselor where SHE went to school. Then gone, “Huh…where’s that again?” After she answered, I’d have paused for a really uncomfortable minute or so and said, “So…that’s…nice…” Then I’d leave. And then when I went to school the next fall, I’d send her a Stanford sweatshirt and with a postcard that said, “Wish you were here! Thanks for all your help and giving me the confidence to chase my dreams!”</p>
<p>Of course, she’d probably miss the sarcasm.</p>
<p>Actually, I would never do that because I lack the guts, but it’s fun to think about it. If you want to, though, more power to you!</p>
<p>DefyLegacy I’d never heard about Dartmouth until recently either! I only heard about it because a girl in my school decided to apply to all 8 ivy leagues schools so when she prattled off the list and mentioned Dartmouth and Brown I was like Huh? I’d never heard of those far more thought that they were Ivy League. In Trinidad, everyone knows about Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT. Columbia and Cornell are in notch below and no-one really cares about the rest. ( A lot of people here don’t know UPenn is Ivy League either). The term “Ivy League” doesn’t really say much unless it’s HYP. I personally don’t think Cornell is great because EVERYONE I know who applied to Cornell this year, myself included was accepted with the exception of one girl who was waitlisted. And quite a few of those persons did not have spectacular SATs, ECs or transcripts and were rejected from the other “top” universities they applied to.</p>
<p>Similarly, when some girl, who had a good shot to get into Harvard, Princeton, and already got into Yale, said she was applying to Dartmouth I was like “What? Why would you go to Dartmouth over Yale?” I guess now I know Darmouth is a great school, but I never even knew about it. I associated Darmouth with schools like Colgate, Tufts, and Cornell; I knew they were all decent northeast schools, but for all four I was unsure over whether or not they were actually in the ivy league.</p>
<p>Aren’t we getting tired of comparing apples to oranges? I think if you look at the students at both schools you will see that their SATs and ACTS are similar; Stanford is a phenomenal university in California/Dartmouth is a phenomenal college (with a medical school, business school and engineering school) in New Hampshire. What they do have in common besides bright students is a similar academic calendar. The guidance counselor has no clue-but we need not bash Dartmouth to prove her off base.</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone is saying that Dartmouth isn’t an excellent school. Of course it is. But I think that how well a school is known internationally is a factor in considering whether one school is “better” than the other. (Note I am using the term “better” very loosely for lack of a better word/phrase.) Not to mention that the majority of students who get accepted to both Dartmouth and MIT/Harvard/Stanford/Princeton/Yale will choose one of the latter over Dartmouth. I think that says a lot as well.</p>
<p>I’m deciding between P and S. I love them both, I loved Pton’s admit weekend and am sure I’ll enjoy S’s as well. Fortunately, they are both unbelievable in IR/public policy/economic/math, so I can’t go wrong with my academic interests either. I think that although they are different socially, I would fit in at either.</p>
<p>Then there’s prestige. I hear that Stanford is considered a more popular place to apply (just because people love it), but everyone seems to say that Princeton is more prestigious, the only three schools people know about outside of the US are HYP, etc.</p>
<p>How do they compare in the US and abroad? Because I live on the West Coast, Stanford and HYP are very popular. But how are they viewed in comparison elsewhere?</p>
<p>Your 190+ index will perfectly fit Stanford, and probably you will struggle with Princeton with their grade deflation. But, the grade deflation problem will be short lived and Princeton will be back as before. Go with whichever you feel comfortable. </p>
<p>I live in New Jersey. Here Stanford is generally considered harder to get than to HYP. But HYP carries more weight, maybe.</p>
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